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http://myLSN.info/dispresults.php?sk=xkk2v

Well get that high LSAT first, but from the data above, looks like you're out at HYS (although with a slight chance at Harvard) and in everywhere else

My guess would be a decent shot, though probably off WL, with a 176-177 or higher. YS are probably not options

Former numbers twin. Unless URM, you will not get Harvard. Columbia is a fair shot but not a sure thing. NYU likely. Berkeley unlikely. Georgetown & Cornell should be locks.

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butyourhonor wrote:

Former numbers twin. Unless URM, you will not get Harvard. Columbia is a fair shot but not a sure thing. NYU likely. Berkeley unlikely. Georgetown & Cornell should be locks.

So am I right in assuming that Harvard weights your LSAC GPA more heavily than they do your most recent GPA? Because if it were going off of that, I think I'd have a great chance. I know; most people are frustrated by the conversion.


May I ask why you think Berkeley is unlikely, with this - 3.62-3.88, 164-169 - as their 2012 range? It's not a top choice, but I'm curious. My top choices are Harvard and Columbia.

Also, I'm seeing that about 20 - 35 % got into Harvard in 2012 with my stats, assuming I don't go below a 175 on the actual test.

Your LSAC GPA is the ONLY GPA that will matter and it ain't even close. You will be treated as a 3.65/ 17X. The 3.8 won't even enter the discussion (assuming TLS logic is true.) Really, don't get too excited about your shot at Harvard- unless you think that 20% chance is good.

I graduated with a higher GPA from a much more prestigious/academically rigorous UC and didn't score lower than a 173 on the 10 PTs I took before my most recent game day and still ended up with a 167. Your LSAT score isn't real until it's real and like most people you will probably score below your PT average. Just study your butt off between now and then and don't worry about any of these hypotheticals. It's a waste or precious time and brainpower than should be spent learning the LSAT.

Also, don't assume that your softs are anything special. Objectively speaking they sound on the mediocre to weak side (especially for top schools). No one has ever had a weak letter of rec or personal statement, everybody thinks their total package is "kick ass." This is silly and to think that your softs or upward grade trends or shiny application or whatever is going to give you a boost is just going to set yourself up for disappointment unless you truly are one of those rare special snowflakes. Just assume that your GPA and LSAT are all that matters and get those as high as you can.

Seems Harvard is very unlikely by all predictive sources (predictor, numbers, etc). You may have awesome softs and an awesome LSAT and maybe they'll decide the GPA hit is worth it, but it seems unlikely. You have to remember for the calculators a good portion of the bottom percentile are people with URM boost.

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OP is obnoxious. I sincerely hope we do not wind up at the same law school.

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butyourhonor wrote:

OP is obnoxious. I sincerely hope we do not wind up at the same law school.

I'd hope it wouldn't affect your education too much. Besides, if you choose Yale or Stanford there isn't really a chance of that happening (and with your stats, you're likely to get into both.) So it's not like I'll be takin' yer job or anything.

No. Just stop.

butyourhonor wrote:So it's not like I'll be takin' yer job or anything.

Jerb, not job :/

UtilityMonster wrote:OP is obnoxious. I sincerely hope we do not wind up at the same law school.

+1

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Point was people just as smart as you if not more don't always perform up to their expectations on the real LSAT. Chickens before they are hatched, etc. Just focus on what you can control and stop worrying about hypotheticals. Come back with a real LSAT score and we can tell you what your chances are, otherwise this is all just a waste of everyone's time.

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Damn, relax. Go have a beer.

You're probably out at the top 3. In at most below that

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