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I'm an AA male. I have a 3.3.
Average softs.

What LSAT do i need to get to where I wanna go?

I doubt any LSAT will get you into HYS. Look at Harvard's LSN: http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/. The only green dot below a 3.3 is a clearly fake profile (he claims to be attending Yale, even though his GPA is well below their lowest reported GPA). I'd say high 170s to even have a chance.

Darn.

Has anyone found this to ever NOT be the case?

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How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

lutcf2021 wrote:How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

...internship in a law school would be a rather weak soft. Honestly, if you really wanted to attend those institutions, you should have worked a lot harder while you were in school rather than relying on how to bs your way in.

lutcf2021 wrote:How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

With a 3.3? Rhodes/Marshall/Fulbright scholar.

lats19nys wrote:

lutcf2021 wrote:How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

...internship in a law school would be a rather weak soft. Honestly, if you really wanted to attend those institutions, you should have worked a lot harder while you were in school rather than relying on how to bs your way in.

That's fair.
I actually have good reason for the two semesters where my life virtually fell apart. pulled pretty much semi failing grades b/c of personal issues (i figured i would put those concerns in an addendum) .

lutcf2021 wrote:

lats19nys wrote:

lutcf2021 wrote:How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

...internship in a law school would be a rather weak soft. Honestly, if you really wanted to attend those institutions, you should have worked a lot harder while you were in school rather than relying on how to bs your way in.

That's fair.
I actually have good reason for the two semesters where my life virtually fell apart. pulled pretty much semi failing grades b/c of personal issues (i figured i would put those concerns in an addendum) .

If that's the case, then it might help. I'm not saying this about you but in general I wonder though if admissions officers ever think to themselves that people have an excuse for everything. I mean if you look on this forum, it seems like everyone who has an increase even in LSAT scores pretty much lies about having a reason for it. Again though, I'm not targeting you since I really don't know your situation but others on this forum have been pretty blatant about making excuses that probably aren't true.

lats19nys wrote:

lutcf2021 wrote:

lats19nys wrote:

lutcf2021 wrote:How good of softs are we talking here?

Like internship in a law school?

...internship in a law school would be a rather weak soft. Honestly, if you really wanted to attend those institutions, you should have worked a lot harder while you were in school rather than relying on how to bs your way in.

That's fair.
I actually have good reason for the two semesters where my life virtually fell apart. pulled pretty much semi failing grades b/c of personal issues (i figured i would put those concerns in an addendum) .

If that's the case, then it might help. I'm not saying this about you but in general I wonder though if admissions officers ever think to themselves that people have an excuse for everything. I mean if you look on this forum, it seems like everyone who has an increase even in LSAT scores pretty much lies about having a reason for it. Again though, I'm not targeting you since I really don't know your situation but others on this forum have been pretty blatant about making excuses that probably aren't true.

Yeah, I just hope I don't sound like i'm complaining.
They were some fairly serious issues.

Elston Gunn wrote:I doubt any LSAT will get you into HYS. Look at Harvard's LSN: http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/. The only green dot below a 3.3 is a clearly fake profile (he claims to be attending Yale, even though his GPA is well below their lowest reported GPA). I'd say high 170s to even have a chance.

Brochacho, he's AA. He can get into at least H with a decent LSAT.

BiglawOrBust wrote:

Elston Gunn wrote:I doubt any LSAT will get you into HYS. Look at Harvard's LSN: http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/. The only green dot below a 3.3 is a clearly fake profile (he claims to be attending Yale, even though his GPA is well below their lowest reported GPA). I'd say high 170s to even have a chance.

Brochacho, he's AA. He can get into at least H with a decent LSAT.

Even for URMs, Harvard has a hard GPA floor. I'm not sure 3.3 will cut it.

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BiglawOrBust wrote:

Elston Gunn wrote:I doubt any LSAT will get you into HYS. Look at Harvard's LSN: http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/. The only green dot below a 3.3 is a clearly fake profile (he claims to be attending Yale, even though his GPA is well below their lowest reported GPA). I'd say high 170s to even have a chance.

Brochacho, he's AA. He can get into at least H with a decent LSAT.

If he weren't AA, the floor would be 3.7-3.8. Look at LSN--over the last 4-5 years, there's literally green two dots at or below 3.3. It's a small sample size of URMs, but it's not like they aren't represented at all. It's possible OP could get in with a 178+, but he'd need great softs to be one of the lucky few, which it doesn't seem like he has.

A lot of misinformation in this thread.

I know two AA males at HLS with lower GPAs.

172/3.2 - went to a school notorious for grade deflation. JR/KB1 in February.
170/174/3.2 - had two years of great business experience. JR1/KB 1 in December.

Neither were WLed, though the first was held.

I dk what the floor of the LSAT would be exactly for him to have a fighting chance (maybe a 168/9?) but his GPA certainly does not throw him out of admission.

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:A lot of misinformation in this thread.

I know two AA males at HLS with lower GPAs.

172/3.2 - went to a school notorious for grade deflation. JR/KB1 in February.
170/174/3.2 - had two years of great business experience. JR1/KB 1 in December.

Neither were WLed, though the first was held.

I dk what the floor of the LSAT would be exactly for him to have a fighting chance (maybe a 168/9?) but his GPA certainly does not throw him out of admission.

My bad then. I'm sorry, OP. Strong softs still seem necessary, but if you really killed the LSAT, it seems like you could overcome it.

Your GPA is below 25% so get your LSAT at/above 75% & write a great PS to be competitive.

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:A lot of misinformation in this thread.

I know two AA males at HLS with lower GPAs.

172/3.2 - went to a school notorious for grade deflation. JR/KB1 in February.
170/174/3.2 - had two years of great business experience. JR1/KB 1 in December.

Neither were WLed, though the first was held.

I dk what the floor of the LSAT would be exactly for him to have a fighting chance (maybe a 168/9?) but his GPA certainly does not throw him out of admission.

+1 Tons of misinformation on this thread. I think OP should shoot for 170+. I think the 168/169 gets him a look, but 170+ turns him into a strong URM splitter. I'll be attending HLS with a 3.39/170, so its definitely still a possibility.

I suggest that the OP creates a thread in the URM forum of TLS where you'll be able to get more feedback on your apps.

Huge thanks to BlakcMajikc and GAIAtheCHEERLEADER.
Nothing like having hope. haha

To those of you who gave misinformation, no worries. Life happens. At least now we all know.


For those of you who care, i'll keep you posted.