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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:24 pm
by weye
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Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:03 pm
by Tiago Splitter
That's the kind of GPA/softs combo that gets people into Harvard, Yale, and Stanford...

Right now you can ED to UVA and pay full price.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:09 pm
by Mal Reynolds
Retake will be a common theme for responders with that high of a GPA and good softs.

Another common response, which I will offer first, DO NOT base your decision on international law. Unless you go to HYS, and even then, international law is not something to bank on.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:12 pm
by JamMasterJ
Mal Reynolds wrote:Retake will be a common theme for responders with that high of a GPA and good softs.

Another common response, which I will offer first, DO NOT base your decision on international law. Unless you go to HYS, and even then, international law is not something to bank on.
True. NYU would also be somewhat credited.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:17 pm
by buckilaw
Normally I would never say this... But if you were to apply to Boalt you would probably get in. With a 169-170 you might be set at Stanford. Your softs might be the best I've ever seen on this site. You should really retake so you have a good chance at Harvard or Yale.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:32 pm
by Montevillian
buckilaw wrote:Normally I would never say this... But if you were to apply to Boalt you would probably get in. With a 169-170 you might be set at Stanford. Your softs might be the best I've ever seen on this site. You should really retake so you have a good chance at Harvard or Yale.
Not to undermine this posters' softs or anything, but really? I mean, those are some impressive softs, for sure, but I think military experience, people who started their own nonprofits, and Peace Corps volunteers probably all have a leg up on most of this person's softs. The Rhodes could be a major thing, but besides that, I don't think any of these are necessarily game changers.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:41 pm
by Grizz
You could ED UVA and get in, a real shot at Berk too, but lets be real, if you want a real shot at international human rights work I'd retake and try to get into HYS. Also, don't bank on even getting a job doing that. Also, for a real shot at these type of jobs, might not be a bad idea to work for one of those NGOs after graduation. Might lend you added credibility. Then again, if you just want to make a difference, you don't even need the law degree.

edit: Also, good softs, but probably not the ones that get people with 165s into HYSCCN.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:51 pm
by LawSchoolChampion
Montevillian wrote:
buckilaw wrote:Normally I would never say this... But if you were to apply to Boalt you would probably get in. With a 169-170 you might be set at Stanford. Your softs might be the best I've ever seen on this site. You should really retake so you have a good chance at Harvard or Yale.
Not to undermine this posters' softs or anything, but really? I mean, those are some impressive softs, for sure, but I think military experience, people who started their own nonprofits, and Peace Corps volunteers probably all have a leg up on most of this person's softs. The Rhodes could be a major thing, but besides that, I don't think any of these are necessarily game changers.

As I founder of my own non-profit I would've placed the OPs softs way above mine...am I wrong in thinking this way?

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:13 pm
by Montevillian
LawSchoolChampion wrote:
Montevillian wrote:
buckilaw wrote:Normally I would never say this... But if you were to apply to Boalt you would probably get in. With a 169-170 you might be set at Stanford. Your softs might be the best I've ever seen on this site. You should really retake so you have a good chance at Harvard or Yale.
Not to undermine this posters' softs or anything, but really? I mean, those are some impressive softs, for sure, but I think military experience, people who started their own nonprofits, and Peace Corps volunteers probably all have a leg up on most of this person's softs. The Rhodes could be a major thing, but besides that, I don't think any of these are necessarily game changers.

As I founder of my own non-profit I would've placed the OPs softs way above mine...am I wrong in thinking this way?
I meant more any one of this person's softs, not necessarily all of them combined. I guess my point was that there isn't any one thing particularly amazing that this applicant has done that would change his cycle as much as other posters have been implying.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:18 pm
by JamMasterJ
buckilaw wrote:Normally I would never say this... But if you were to apply to Boalt you would probably get in. With a 169-170 you might be set at Stanford. Your softs,cumulatively might be the best I've ever seen on this site. You should really retake so you have a good chance at Harvard or Yale.
Fixed for montevillain

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:03 am
by weye
Thank you all for the input. Do you think an ED to NYU, Chicago or GULC is a possibility? Also, if accepted ED, is it possible to defer for an international fellowship?

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:06 am
by Mal Reynolds
weye wrote:Thank you all for the input. Do you think an ED to NYU, Chicago or GULC is a possibility? Also, if accepted ED, is it possible to defer for an international fellowship?
I get the sense you don't want to study for your LSAT again. However you seem like a very hard worker and you owe it to yourself to take it again. IMHO

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:09 am
by weye
Mal Reynolds wrote:
weye wrote:Thank you all for the input. Do you think an ED to NYU, Chicago or GULC is a possibility? Also, if accepted ED, is it possible to defer for an international fellowship?
I get the sense you don't want to study for your LSAT again. However you seem like a very hard worker and you owe it to yourself to take it again. IMHO

Is it possible to take the December LSAT and still apply at a reasonable part of the admissions cycle?

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:20 am
by Grizz
weye wrote:Thank you all for the input. Do you think an ED to NYU, Chicago or GULC is a possibility? Also, if accepted ED, is it possible to defer for an international fellowship?
You could try, but it probably won't happen. You can call those schools and ask about their deferral policy.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:53 am
by HeavenWood
Grizz wrote:You could ED UVA and get in, a real shot at Berk too, but lets be real, if you want a real shot at international human rights work I'd retake and try to get into HYS. Also, don't bank on even getting a job doing that. Also, for a real shot at these type of jobs, might not be a bad idea to work for one of those NGOs after graduation. Might lend you added credibility. Then again, if you just want to make a difference, you don't even need the law degree.

edit: Also, good softs, but probably not the ones that get people with 165s into HYSCCN.
With your GPA and softs, you could crack the T6 with even a 3-point increase.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:30 pm
by sach1282
Either retake, or ED to NYU and hope for Boalt IMO.

Edit: Also agree that holy crap, impressive softs. A retake would help you out enormously.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:31 pm
by HeavenWood
sach1282 wrote:Either retake, or ED to NYU and hope for Boalt IMO.
NYU ED is a sure rejection.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:43 pm
by Grizz
HeavenWood wrote:
sach1282 wrote:Either retake, or ED to NYU and hope for Boalt IMO.
NYU ED is a sure rejection.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:08 pm
by LawSchoolChampion
Boalt may bite, but it's still low for them.

I would take the December LSAT.

If you can push it up 5 points I'd say in at most of the T-14 RD.

If you can hit 172, apply to HYS. A 172 gives you an incredible shot at all three, with your softs.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:03 pm
by mattviphky
June retake --> early application--->HYS. But this is if you think that you can score higher. If you think that you have done all you can, then don't worry and just try to get into the best school you can...but T6 is looking tough

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:43 pm
by locke42
weye wrote:I'm a 3.99/165/non-URM senior at a top 20 private university (Philosophy/Music double major)
weye wrote: a philosophy honors thesis and political theory paper pending publication
you're a philosophy major who did an honors thesis, you can undoubtedly do better on the lsat

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:57 pm
by JamMasterJ
locke42 wrote:
weye wrote:I'm a 3.99/165/non-URM senior at a top 20 private university (Philosophy/Music double major)
weye wrote: a philosophy honors thesis and political theory paper pending publication
you're a philosophy major who did an honors thesis, you can undoubtedly do better on the lsat
poor logic is poor.

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:18 pm
by locke42
JamMasterJ wrote:
locke42 wrote:
weye wrote:I'm a 3.99/165/non-URM senior at a top 20 private university (Philosophy/Music double major)
weye wrote: a philosophy honors thesis and political theory paper pending publication
you're a philosophy major who did an honors thesis, you can undoubtedly do better on the lsat
poor logic is poor.
you're just mad because you don't know the difference between validity and soundness

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:31 pm
by JamMasterJ
locke42 wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote: poor logic is poor.
you're just mad because you don't know the difference between validity and soundness
lolwut?

Re: 3.99/165

Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:33 pm
by locke42
JamMasterJ wrote:
locke42 wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote: poor logic is poor.
you're just mad because you don't know the difference between validity and soundness
lolwut?
a little logic humor