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chances at t14?

Decent chance at Cornell (maybe 65% - 70%), Northwestern with really good job experience. Good chance at T20 with money, maybe not GW as it looks like they're only giving the big schollie (105k) to people with 3.8 GPA/170+ LSAT, and with them its all or nothing. Decent money at WUSTL, I got 75K with .09 less GPA. You'll more than likely get into Vandy with some money (maybe 40k). Out at Texas unless in state (169/3.6 cutoff at UT for out of state) and out at UCLA (GPA too low). Maybe in at USC, but I don't see much money if any. Unless you want to retake for the top-14, your best choices with these scores will more than likely be Cornell at sticker vs Vandy with some money, and I would take Vandy at this point unless absolutely dead set on NYC. But even then I would think long and hard as the cost of attendance difference between Vandy and Cornell might be a good 60k or so.

SilverE2 wrote:Decent chance at Cornell (maybe 65% - 70%), Northwestern with really good job experience. Good chance at T20 with money, maybe not GW as it looks like they're only giving the big schollie (105k) to people with 3.8 GPA/170+ LSAT, and with them its all or nothing. Decent money at WUSTL, I got 75K with .09 less GPA. You'll more than likely get into Vandy with some money (maybe 40k). Out at Texas unless in state (169/3.6 cutoff at UT for out of state) and out at UCLA (GPA too low). Maybe in at USC, but I don't see much money if any. Unless you want to retake for the top-14, your best choices with these scores will more than likely be Cornell at sticker vs Vandy with some money, and I would take Vandy at this point unless absolutely dead set on NYC. But even then I would think long and hard as the cost of attendance difference between Vandy and Cornell might be a good 60k or so.

Listen very carefully to this response, this has been close to my experience with a 3.4/169. Also toss an app at Michigan, their median LSAT is low enough.

stylishlaw wrote:

SilverE2 wrote:Decent chance at Cornell (maybe 65% - 70%), Northwestern with really good job experience. Good chance at T20 with money, maybe not GW as it looks like they're only giving the big schollie (105k) to people with 3.8 GPA/170+ LSAT, and with them its all or nothing. Decent money at WUSTL, I got 75K with .09 less GPA. You'll more than likely get into Vandy with some money (maybe 40k). Out at Texas unless in state (169/3.6 cutoff at UT for out of state) and out at UCLA (GPA too low). Maybe in at USC, but I don't see much money if any. Unless you want to retake for the top-14, your best choices with these scores will more than likely be Cornell at sticker vs Vandy with some money, and I would take Vandy at this point unless absolutely dead set on NYC. But even then I would think long and hard as the cost of attendance difference between Vandy and Cornell might be a good 60k or so.

Listen very carefully to this response, this has been close to my experience with a 3.4/169. Also toss an app at Michigan, their median LSAT is low enough.

ED at M if you really want a shot at the mid T14, otherwise you'll have to settle for Cornell or a T20 with money.

First thing, look at http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com

SilverE2 wrote:Decent chance at Cornell (maybe 65% - 70%), Northwestern with really good job experience. Good chance at T20 with money, maybe not GW as it looks like they're only giving the big schollie (105k) to people with 3.8 GPA/170+ LSAT, and with them its all or nothing. Decent money at WUSTL, I got 75K with .09 less GPA. You'll more than likely get into Vandy with some money (maybe 40k). Out at Texas unless in state (169/3.6 cutoff at UT for out of state) and out at UCLA (GPA too low). Maybe in at USC, but I don't see much money if any. Unless you want to retake for the top-14, your best choices with these scores will more than likely be Cornell at sticker vs Vandy with some money, and I would take Vandy at this point unless absolutely dead set on NYC. But even then I would think long and hard as the cost of attendance difference between Vandy and Cornell might be a good 60k or so.

This is close but slightly off. Northwestern is not going to take a GPA that low with a sub 170 LSAT. UCLA is a waitlist. USC is 50/50 waitlist vs accept.

As has been noted above, OP's best chances at the T14 are UMich and Cornell and realistically nothing else. If OP really wants to pay sticker at a T14, the best hope would be an ED to UMich.

bk187 wrote:First thing, look at http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com

SilverE2 wrote:Decent chance at Cornell (maybe 65% - 70%), Northwestern with really good job experience. Good chance at T20 with money, maybe not GW as it looks like they're only giving the big schollie (105k) to people with 3.8 GPA/170+ LSAT, and with them its all or nothing. Decent money at WUSTL, I got 75K with .09 less GPA. You'll more than likely get into Vandy with some money (maybe 40k). Out at Texas unless in state (169/3.6 cutoff at UT for out of state) and out at UCLA (GPA too low). Maybe in at USC, but I don't see much money if any. Unless you want to retake for the top-14, your best choices with these scores will more than likely be Cornell at sticker vs Vandy with some money, and I would take Vandy at this point unless absolutely dead set on NYC. But even then I would think long and hard as the cost of attendance difference between Vandy and Cornell might be a good 60k or so.

This is close but slightly off. Northwestern is not going to take a GPA that low with a sub 170 LSAT. UCLA is a waitlist. USC is 50/50 waitlist vs accept.

As has been noted above, OP's best chances at the T14 are UMich and Cornell and realistically nothing else. If OP really wants to pay sticker at a T14, the best hope would be an ED to UMich.

bk, you actually agreed with me on something

you guys are being too cynical i think.

USC: In with a scholarship - 45k.

Texas - In

Cornell - Prob In

Would the OP be much better off if s/he raised his/her LSAT by a single point to a 170? Is that cut-off THAT important?

ED to Michigan and apply EA early to Cornell (if you want to hear before April)...if you don't get those, you are likely to nab Vandy with $, with small shots at USC/UCLA/Texas. If you do not land T18, however, I think that you should take the $$$ offer at the T30 in your primary market. You should get all of those schools, so pick and choose.

grimfan wrote:Would the OP be much better off if s/he raised his/her LSAT by a single point to a 170? Is that cut-off THAT important?

It would open up their chances at Georgetown, Duke, UVA, and Penn, although 170/3.6 might not be enough for the latter two.

Moxie wrote:

grimfan wrote:Would the OP be much better off if s/he raised his/her LSAT by a single point to a 170? Is that cut-off THAT important?

It would open up their chances at Georgetown, Duke, UVA, and Penn, although 170/3.6 might not be enough for the latter two.

Correct, though ED Penn may change that

grimfan wrote:Would the OP be much better off if s/he raised his/her LSAT by a single point to a 170? Is that cut-off THAT important?

Just check out LSN for the difference that 1pt makes. It's pretty HUGE. Considering that OP is around or below 25% GPA for bottom T14, 170 would at least put OP at median LSAT, whereas 169 is below median at all but Cornell.

Below median for both GPA and LSAT? T14 is unlikely. Hitting median at one of those at least drastically improves your odds.