Waitlisted at UVA with 3.8 gpa and Forum

[masterthearts]

correction, post deleted

[oscodasa]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

[whymeohgodno]

Waitlisted at UVA? Then no real shot at any remaining t14. With that LSAT only T14 you might have catched was UVA ED. Now that's a waitlist you should be aiming for schools below t20.

[CG614]

3.8 gpa and 163 lsat
Bilingual spanish/english and this shows in my resume. Used my bilingual skills for community service projects in the local community.
Hispanic/white (not URM)
I attend an Ivy that also has a T-14 law school (for privacy reasons, will not share the name.
PS focuses on adversity in light of a chronic illness I have, but has a "happy ending"
Anyone want to guess on my chances at a T14 based on my stats and a waitlist at UVA. (i expected rejection but was pleasantly surprised with the WL)

Which Ivy has a non T-14 law school?

[masterthearts]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Applied ED to UVA and I am not from VA.
I am retaking lsat in Dec and IF I do better, I will submit scores to any schools where I am waitlisted, or re-apply next year if I can't get into a decent school this year.

[masterthearts]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

[whymeohgodno]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

URM or people with GPA above 75th. Either case not you.

[CG614]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

Not factual. It means that the person at the 25th mark had a 167, every single person under it could have also had a 167.

[MrKappus]

Haha nevermind. I didn't read Burr'nd's posts correctly.

[masterthearts]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

Not factual. It means that the person at the 25th mark had a 167, every single person under it could have also had a 167.

You are incorrect. If the 25th percentile is 167, it means 25% got in with UNDER 167, although I guess those people could have all had 166.

[whymeohgodno]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

Not factual. It means that the person at the 25th mark had a 167, every single person under it could have also had a 167.

You are incorrect. If the 25th percentile is 167, it means 25% got in with UNDER 167, although I guess those people could have all had 166.

No - please go take a basic stats class. Are you sure you went to an ivy? Were you a modern dance major there by any chance? Maybe basket weaving?

[CG614]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

Not factual. It means that the person at the 25th mark had a 167, every single person under it could have also had a 167.

You are incorrect. If the 25th percentile is 167, it means 25% got in with UNDER 167, although I guess those people could have all had 166.

You could not be more wrong.

[MrKappus]

Are you in state or out? ED or RD?

Splitters are hard to predict and your LSAT isn't going to do you many favors, despite your beautiful gpa.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school.
If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167. Who are these people that get in under the 25th percentile?

Not factual. It means that the person at the 25th mark had a 167, every single person under it could have also had a 167.

You are incorrect. If the 25th percentile is 167, it means 25% got in with UNDER 167, although I guess those people could have all had 166.

(1) This is not correct. Percentiles around found by arranging the data sequentially and picking the number at 25%, 50%, and 75%. The dataset could look like:

167 167 167 167 167 167....[you get the idea] 167 [25th %ile] . . . [50th %ile] . . . [75%ile] . . .[last entry in dataset].

(2) A 25th percentile does not mean that 25% of APPLICANTS at a school are accepted with a 25th percentile LSAT. It means that the 25th percentile of those who attended is 167 (or whatever). Maybe UVA admitted 50 kids w/ 167's or below and all 50 matriculated. 50 divided by [UVA applicants in a cycle] does NOT equal 0.25.

[CG614]

(1) This is not correct. Percentiles around found by arranging the data sequentially and picking the number at 25%, 50%, and 75%. The dataset could look like:

167 167 167 167 167 167....[you get the idea] 167 [25th %ile] . . . [50th %ile] . . . [75%ile] . . .[last entry in dataset].

(2) A 25th percentile does not mean that 25% of APPLICANTS at a school are accepted with a 25th percentile LSAT. It means that the 25th percentile of those who attended is 167 (or whatever). Maybe UVA admitted 50 kids w/ 167's or below and all 50 matriculated. 50 divided by [UVA applicants in a cycle] does NOT equal 0.25.

(1) Exactly
(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

[MrKappus]

(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear, but the stats-challenged poster seemed to be implying that 25% of UVA acceptees have LSAT's at or below UVA's 25th percentile, which is of course not right. 25% of UVA matriculants, not acceptees, have LSATs at or below the 25th percentile.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school. If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167.

[masterthearts]

(1) This is not correct. Percentiles around found by arranging the data sequentially and picking the number at 25%, 50%, and 75%. The dataset could look like:

167 167 167 167 167 167....[you get the idea] 167 [25th %ile] . . . [50th %ile] . . . [75%ile] . . .[last entry in dataset].

(2) A 25th percentile does not mean that 25% of APPLICANTS at a school are accepted with a 25th percentile LSAT. It means that the 25th percentile of those who attended is 167 (or whatever). Maybe UVA admitted 50 kids w/ 167's or below and all 50 matriculated. 50 divided by [UVA applicants in a cycle] does NOT equal 0.25.

(1) Exactly
(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

I know for a fact that the law school belonging to my alma mater accepted students last year with lsat as low as 160 last cycle.

[whymeohgodno]

I bet you OP won't respond.

[masterthearts]

(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear, but the stats-challenged poster seemed to be implying that 25% of UVA acceptees have LSAT's at or below UVA's 25th percentile, which is of course not right. 25% of UVA matriculants, not acceptees, have LSATs at or below the 25th percentile.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school. If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167.

Well you are correct, I implied that 25% of UVA matriculants had lsats below the 25th percentile for UVA (not the 25th percentile of lsat test takers),.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Please don't bash me since I actually didn't take stats. But, I know I am correct.

[whymeohgodno]

(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear, but the stats-challenged poster seemed to be implying that 25% of UVA acceptees have LSAT's at or below UVA's 25th percentile, which is of course not right. 25% of UVA matriculants, not acceptees, have LSATs at or below the 25th percentile.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school. If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167.

Well you are correct, I implied that 25% of UVA matriculants had lsats below the 25th percentile for UVA (not the 25th percentile of lsat test takers),.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. Please don't bash me since I actually didn't take stats. But, I know I am correct.

Wow so much failure. You are wrong. Just admit it.

[CG614]

(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

Sorry, I wasn't 100% clear, but the stats-challenged poster seemed to be implying that 25% of UVA acceptees have LSAT's at or below UVA's 25th percentile, which is of course not right. 25% of UVA matriculants, not acceptees, have LSATs at or below the 25th percentile.

Let's not forget that 25% of the applicants at any given school get accepted with lsat score UNDER the 25th percentile for that school. If a schools 25th percentile lsat score is 167, that mean 25% will be accepted with under a 167.

Ahh, yes. It is hard for me to keep track of all the errors the OP has littered throughout this thread. I would add one small caveat, just to be an ass, but it is at least 25% of the matriculants have LSATs at or below the 25th. Hypothetically, assuming the median is different, all the matriculants up to the median point could have the 25% LSAT. Sorry, I will not be a dick anymore, as I agree with you.

[BrownBears09]

3.8 gpa and 163 lsat
Bilingual spanish/english and this shows in my resume. Used my bilingual skills for community service projects in the local community.
Hispanic/white (not URM)
I attend an Ivy that also has a T-14 law school (for privacy reasons, will not share the name.
PS focuses on adversity in light of a chronic illness I have, but has a "happy ending"
Anyone want to guess on my chances at a T14 based on my stats and a waitlist at UVA. (i expected rejection but was pleasantly surprised with the WL)

Which Ivy has a non T-14 law school?

Princeton?

[FuManChusco]

3.8 gpa and 163 lsat
Bilingual spanish/english and this shows in my resume. Used my bilingual skills for community service projects in the local community.
Hispanic/white (not URM)
I attend an Ivy that also has a T-14 law school (for privacy reasons, will not share the name.
PS focuses on adversity in light of a chronic illness I have, but has a "happy ending"
Anyone want to guess on my chances at a T14 based on my stats and a waitlist at UVA. (i expected rejection but was pleasantly surprised with the WL)

Which Ivy has a non T-14 law school?

Princeton, Dartmouth, and Brown....

[masterthearts]

I bet you OP won't respond.

We are getting a bit off topic here. All I did was ask about "my chances."
But, I will let you all know the outcome of my application.

[CG614]

(1) This is not correct. Percentiles around found by arranging the data sequentially and picking the number at 25%, 50%, and 75%. The dataset could look like:

167 167 167 167 167 167....[you get the idea] 167 [25th %ile] . . . [50th %ile] . . . [75%ile] . . .[last entry in dataset].

(2) A 25th percentile does not mean that 25% of APPLICANTS at a school are accepted with a 25th percentile LSAT. It means that the 25th percentile of those who attended is 167 (or whatever). Maybe UVA admitted 50 kids w/ 167's or below and all 50 matriculated. 50 divided by [UVA applicants in a cycle] does NOT equal 0.25.

(1) Exactly
(2) Not quite sure what you are getting at there.

I know for a fact that the law school belonging to my alma mater accepted students last year with lsat as low as 160 last cycle. I know because I emailed and asked for the RANGE of scores of admitted students. The dean of admissions emailed me back and I am assuming is a reliable source!

Cornell. You outed yourself. Regardless, you are correct in stating that there are people admitted below the 25%, my issue was your assertion that 25% of the people are below. This is incorrect, it could be that only 5% are below and the other 20% are at the 25th percentile. See if you can take a stats class next semester at Cornell.

[Ragged]

OP, If you are not URM you are out of T-14 unless you retake for a 168+ atleast. Others have already explained to you your misinterpretation of what percentiles mean, but you don't seem to want to understnad.

Also, the 160 acceptee was a URM. Are you a URM? If no, then your evidence is irrelavent.