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birdlaw117 wrote:overestimating how easy it is to be in the top 5%

IAFG wrote:

birdlaw117 wrote:overestimating how easy it is to be in the top 5%

and if you can't figure out on your own that HYS v. $$ is a personal choice, not a hard-and-fast rule, you're prolly not gonna get there from here

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:I've always heard that the smartest decision is to go to the best school you can get into regardless of how many loans you have to take out to attend.ndercatsRinnocent"]

NU_Jet55 wrote:A few things...

1) You are way oversimplifying everything: law school rankings, class rankings while in law school, and post-law school employment prospects. You need to be more specific with your questions.

rayiner wrote:You don't have a GPA or an LSAT and are already planning on finishing top 5% at HYS?

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

NU_Jet55 wrote:A few things...

1) You are way oversimplifying everything: law school rankings, class rankings while in law school, and post-law school employment prospects. You need to be more specific with your questions.

Oh really? Well maybe you could start by being more specific about how I "oversimplified everything"

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

rayiner wrote:You don't have a GPA or an LSAT and are already planning on finishing top 5% at HYS?

I have a 3.9 GPA if you really must know.

The LSAT shouldn't be too difficult.

Also I'm a URM so I'm not really worried. Yeah, I guess top 5 might be difficult but I know I'm gonna be up there.

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:Hello everyone, this is my first post here and I was hoping you could give me useful insight.
I'm an undergraduate student currently going to a community college in New Jersey. I came here (CC) because I was misinformed about college out of high school and attended an expensive liberal arts school in NY because my SAT scores (1900/2400) were above average but not good enough to get me into a Top 50 School. So anyway, $25,000 in loans later, I'm at community college.

Because my family is poor, I'm planning to transfer to UNC-Chapel Hill, a reputable school known for its generous financial aid (and also a school I would not have been admitted to as a HS senior). It also happens to have excellent English and History programs (I'm planning to double major in both when I transfer)


Anyway, sorry for the autobiography.

My GPA at my first school was a 3.6
My GPA at community college is a 3.9

Assuming I transfer to UNC, if I keep a 3.8+ GPA there and take the LSAT during the summer of 2012, what kind of LSAT score would I need to have a chance of getting accepted into a T14 school?

I'm a legitimate ethnic minority (100% Puerto Rican) and hopefully I'll have decent soft factors by the time I apply. I'm also planning to do work study when I transfer so that I have some invaluable work experience to put on my applications.

Would the community college GPA be a concern? Because as I understand it, the top law schools prefer that their students spent 4 years at a prestigious undergraduate institution..right?
Would you recommend applying a year after I've completed my bachelor's degree(s) so that the law schools would consider all of my college grades and not just 1 year from a liberal arts school, 2 years from community college and 1 year from UNC? (as opposed to 2 years of UNC coursework)


Sorry if I'm posting this thread in the wrong forum. I'm new here and not familiar with this message board just yet.

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

rayiner wrote:You don't have a GPA or an LSAT and are already planning on finishing top 5% at HYS?

I have a 3.9 GPA if you really must know.

The LSAT shouldn't be too difficult.

Also I'm a URM so I'm not really worried. Yeah, I guess top 5 might be difficult but I know I'm gonna be up there.

birdlaw117 wrote:

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

rayiner wrote:You don't have a GPA or an LSAT and are already planning on finishing top 5% at HYS?

I have a 3.9 GPA if you really must know.

The LSAT shouldn't be too difficult.

Also I'm a URM so I'm not really worried. Yeah, I guess top 5 might be difficult but I know I'm gonna be up there.

Yeah, take the LSAT, then we'll talk. Plus, you better be AA, because other URMs don't carry nearly the same weight. But again, overestimating how easy it is to be top 5%. The majority of people at HYS (most of the T-14 for that matter), are individuals who are used to getting 3.9 GPAs, etc. You aren't special. So, yeah, take the LSAT. It won't be as easy as you think, I can guarantee you that.

D-ROCCA wrote:Defensive OP is defensive

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

D-ROCCA wrote:Defensive OP is defensive

I'm not defensive. You must have misinterpreted my posts.

I'm sitting here drinking tea and reading a magazine

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

birdlaw117 wrote:

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

rayiner wrote:You don't have a GPA or an LSAT and are already planning on finishing top 5% at HYS?

I have a 3.9 GPA if you really must know.

The LSAT shouldn't be too difficult.

Also I'm a URM so I'm not really worried. Yeah, I guess top 5 might be difficult but I know I'm gonna be up there.

Yeah, take the LSAT, then we'll talk. Plus, you better be AA, because other URMs don't carry nearly the same weight. But again, overestimating how easy it is to be top 5%. The majority of people at HYS (most of the T-14 for that matter), are individuals who are used to getting 3.9 GPAs, etc. You aren't special. So, yeah, take the LSAT. It won't be as easy as you think, I can guarantee you that.

Yeah... honestly I don't even know about law school yet. It seems kind of boring and I really don't need to be working long hours during my 20's. I'm too young for that kinda thing. More than likely to the pursue a PhD in English Literature, although I'm disappointed that there isn't a similar URM boost for English PhD admissions.

DoubleChecks wrote:

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:

D-ROCCA wrote:Defensive OP is defensive

I'm not defensive. You must have misinterpreted my posts.

I'm sitting here drinking tea and reading a magazine

No, pretty sure you're being defensive.

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:my SAT scores (1900/2400)

romothesavior wrote:OP:

1. You don't have an LSAT score. Your attitude that it is easy is pretty misguided. It comes naturally for some people, and other people have to really work at it. The odds of you getting a 172+ without serious work is pretty naive. Scoring in the 170s is doable for a lot of people, but not everyone can do it, and even most that do score that high have to study a LOT for it.
2. It isn't easy to pull a full ride.
3. It is extremely difficult to finish in the top 5% no matter where you go. You could go to a T3 and still struggle to finish that high in your class. There are so many variables involved.
4. In general, going to the best school is TCR. But sometimes it is not. And sometimes it is best to go with a hybrid of your priorities ($$/best school/geography/fit/etc.)
5. Ignore the harsh responses, TLS can be brutal to a noob.

NU_Jet55 wrote:

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:my SAT scores (1900/2400)

Come on man. Get a grip.

NU_Jet55 wrote:

ThundercatsRinnocent wrote:my SAT scores (1900/2400)

And you think you can score 170+ on the LSAT? Go take one of the practice tests in the 50's. Time it. Come back and ask us how you can up your 150-158. We'll tell you to focus on keeping your GPA up and take powerscore or follow pithypike's guide. Also, you got a B at a community college and you think you can get top 5% at HYS? Come on man. Get a grip.