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If you are applying now, you might be too late to ED Mich, and I'm not sure about Penn. Know ED gives big boost at UVA and they have no deadline. I picked there

no-urm I think I might save it and do G-town ED to make sure you lock down the t-14. UVA is possible but michigan is out as above poster said and if LSP says deny at penn I guess I wouldn't risk it personally.

Enjoy UVA.

If you want t14 ED to UVA asap since that is your best bet.

If you don't ED then I would place my bets on GTown/Michigan/Cornell. However none of these are near as certain as a UVA ED would be.

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

1) ED Penn by Nov. 15 (complete by Dec. 1, decision around Dec. 10)
2) If not accepted, ED UVA (decision within 15 days)
3) If not accepted, ED Duke (submit by Jan. 7, complete by Jan. 14, decision by Jan. 31)
4) If not accepted, ED GULC or hold out for Cornell
5) Enjoy T14!

Veyron wrote:

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

This is not true, 3.x/170 with 2 years WE has a realistic shot at UVA ED. At that point it just depends on soft factors and how you measure up to the rest of the crowd they have.

vanwinkle wrote:

Veyron wrote:

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

This is not true, 3.x/170 with 2 years WE has a realistic shot at UVA ED. At that point it just depends on soft factors and how you measure up to the rest of the crowd they have.

Omg softs matter!?!?

vanwinkle wrote:

Veyron wrote:

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

This is not true, 3.x/170 with 2 years WE has a realistic shot at UVA ED. At that point it just depends on soft factors and how you measure up to the rest of the crowd they have.

flame!

j/k don't banhammer me

im_blue wrote:

vanwinkle wrote:

Veyron wrote:

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

This is not true, 3.x/170 with 2 years WE has a realistic shot at UVA ED. At that point it just depends on soft factors and how you measure up to the rest of the crowd they have.

flame!

j/k don't banhammer me

I don't get how UVA ed works anyways. Don't they usually take splitters or reverse splitters who are at least above median for GPA or LSAT?

Won't OP be at median for lsat and below for GPA?

Veyron wrote:

beachbum wrote:Enjoy UVA.

Even ED he is not getting UVA unless instate.

Wrong dude... just wrong

im_blue wrote:1) ED Penn by Nov. 15 (complete by Dec. 1, decision around Dec. 10)
2) If not accepted, ED UVA (decision within 15 days)
3) If not accepted, ED Duke (submit by Jan. 7, complete by Jan. 14, decision by Jan. 31)
4) If not accepted, ED GULC or hold out for Cornell
5) Enjoy T14!

Admissions is really becoming a joke. I wonder when all the t-14, except HYS, will try to game the system and offer unlimited ED. (I guess right now it's just UVA?)

irishman86 wrote:

im_blue wrote:1) ED Penn by Nov. 15 (complete by Dec. 1, decision around Dec. 10)
2) If not accepted, ED UVA (decision within 15 days)
3) If not accepted, ED Duke (submit by Jan. 7, complete by Jan. 14, decision by Jan. 31)
4) If not accepted, ED GULC or hold out for Cornell
5) Enjoy T14!

Admissions is really becoming a joke. I wonder when all the t-14, except HYS, will try to game the system and offer unlimited ED. (I guess right now it's just UVA?)

UVA+GTown I believe.

If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

Veyron wrote:If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

Check LSN/the UVA 2014 thread. HTH.

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whymeohgodno wrote:I don't get how UVA ed works anyways. Don't they usually take splitters or reverse splitters who are at least above median for GPA or LSAT?

Won't OP be at median for lsat and below for GPA?

Yes, UVA takes a number of splitters ED as long as they're at/above median in at least one number. OP's at median for LSAT, meaning they have a shot at getting in ED. Since the 170 puts them in numbers range, that means it'll go to soft factors (which only matter after you clear the numbers hurdle, but do matter at that point).

Veyron wrote:If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

You enjoy being wrong, don't you? There are at least three things wrong with this statement, and given time I could possibly spot more.

vanwinkle wrote:

whymeohgodno wrote:I don't get how UVA ed works anyways. Don't they usually take splitters or reverse splitters who are at least above median for GPA or LSAT?

Won't OP be at median for lsat and below for GPA?

Yes, UVA takes a number of splitters ED as long as they're at/above median in at least one number. OP's at median for LSAT, meaning they have a shot at getting in ED. Since the 170 puts them in numbers range, that means it'll go to soft factors (which only matter after you clear the numbers hurdle, but do matter at that point).

Veyron wrote:If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

You enjoy being wrong, don't you? There are at least three things wrong with this statement, and given time I could possibly spot more.

What I'm wondering is how taking people at median/below helps maintain medians...won't they need to take above/below for splitters to be worth it?

whymeohgodno wrote:What I'm wondering is how taking people at median/below helps maintain medians...won't they need to take above/below for splitters to be worth it?

Imagine something like this hypothetical example:

40%: Admitted with LSAT at/above 170
40%: Admitted with GPA at/above 3.85
20%: Admitted with both numbers above median; offered $$$ to attend.

Under this setup you're only giving scholarship money to 20% of the class, but you've got 60% of the class with an LSAT of 170 or higher and 60% of the class with a GPA of 3.85 or higher. That way you can take a LOT of splitters and maintain your medians. Even if that 40% at/above 170 is all just at 170 it still maintains your 170 median.

The reason ED is such an advantage at UVA is that they have to be very careful about how many of each splitter type they take. If you RD they might not take you because you might attend and might not and enough RD splitters attending or not attending could push them way off-balance. If you ED then they're sure you're going to attend and they can slot you in easily. That way even if you're just on the median (170 LSAT) you can still help them maintain that median and ED guarantees you'll be there, so they can safely take you and calculate how you'll affect the rest of their needs.

whymeohgodno wrote:

vanwinkle wrote:

whymeohgodno wrote:I don't get how UVA ed works anyways. Don't they usually take splitters or reverse splitters who are at least above median for GPA or LSAT?

Won't OP be at median for lsat and below for GPA?

Yes, UVA takes a number of splitters ED as long as they're at/above median in at least one number. OP's at median for LSAT, meaning they have a shot at getting in ED. Since the 170 puts them in numbers range, that means it'll go to soft factors (which only matter after you clear the numbers hurdle, but do matter at that point).

Veyron wrote:If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

You enjoy being wrong, don't you? There are at least three things wrong with this statement, and given time I could possibly spot more.

What I'm wondering is how taking people at median/below helps maintain medians...won't they need to take above/below for splitters to be worth it?

Nope, if you accept enough 170s, they'll push the 160-range scores down and keep the median at 170. Simple example:

Before: 167 168 169 170 171 (median 169)
After taking 2 170s: 167 168 169 170 170 170 171 (median 170)

Ah I see. Thanks for the examples.

But UVA is awesome. I mean we all suspected it was a numbers game but their blatant gaming of the medians just confirms it. They have to be the biggest number whores out of the t14 schools.

whymeohgodno wrote:But UVA is awesome. I mean we all suspected it was a numbers game but their blatant gaming of the medians just confirms it. They have to be the biggest number whores out of the t14 schools.

Even running the numbers, it's not all just a numbers game. They get about 8,000 applications a year, and I've been told around 4,000 of those are people who are genuinely qualified to attend. There are at this point over 3,000 170+ LSAT scored given out in a year. UVA has only 360 seats; on top of that they have a limitation on the number of out-of-state students they can enroll, constraining their ability to admit the majority of their applicants even further. The out-of-state ratio of applications to seats available is greater than 30-to-1!

Even number-whoring they still need softs to separate out folks with good enough numbers and decide who to admit. It's not numbers over softs, it's numbers plus softs that get you ahead of everyone else with the numbers.

vanwinkle wrote:

whymeohgodno wrote:I don't get how UVA ed works anyways. Don't they usually take splitters or reverse splitters who are at least above median for GPA or LSAT?

Won't OP be at median for lsat and below for GPA?

Yes, UVA takes a number of splitters ED as long as they're at/above median in at least one number. OP's at median for LSAT, meaning they have a shot at getting in ED. Since the 170 puts them in numbers range, that means it'll go to soft factors (which only matter after you clear the numbers hurdle, but do matter at that point).

Veyron wrote:If UVA ED takes people with these numbers with any regularity, I guess its no wonder why their rank keeps dropping.

You enjoy being wrong, don't you? There are at least three things wrong with this statement, and given time I could possibly spot more.

Hey brah, UVA used to be ranked a bit higher than #10.

Veyron wrote:Hey brah, UVA used to be ranked a bit higher than #10.

Yes, and it fell as they drifted from numbers-focused admissions, but since Dean Trujillo took over they've increased their medians and stopped the slide. They're now alone at #10 (which is better than sharing #10 like they were last year) and rightfully in the MVP cluster again.

You blamed their numbers gaming for their falling rankings, but their numbers focus is what's helping them regain their footing, which is almost exactly the opposite of what you had said.