4.0, hypothetical 170 Forum
- intravenousdrums
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4.0, hypothetical 170
I am a non-URM from West Virginia. I have a 4.0 GPA at a large state school where I'm pursuing a double major in Political Science and Philosophy as well as minors in Economics and History. I haven't taken the LSAT yet but am pretty consistently getting around 170 on practice tests. As far as softs, mine are pretty pedestrian:
- Two years on drumline (HUGE time commitment)
- Five-week internship in London in an MP's office
- Founding editor of my schools undergraduate philosophy journal
- merit scholarships basically amounting to a full ride plus rent money at my UG institution
- two $3,000 dollar merit scholarships from the Philosophy Department
My work experience include writing music for and instructing a high school drumline, and some boring summer jobs.
(If any of these don't count as "softs" then please let me know. I'm not entirely comfortable with all of the pre-law online forum lingo)
I am intent on practicing public interest law. Assuming my LSAT score is 170, what are my chances at the following schools (and does anyone suggest I apply elsewhere as well)?
Berkeley
Georgetown
Harvard (pretty sure I know the answer for this one)
NYU
Columbia
Duke
North Carolina
I was also wondering what you all think about the idea of attending a school that has an LRAP and relying entirely on that and my own salary to pay for my education?
- Two years on drumline (HUGE time commitment)
- Five-week internship in London in an MP's office
- Founding editor of my schools undergraduate philosophy journal
- merit scholarships basically amounting to a full ride plus rent money at my UG institution
- two $3,000 dollar merit scholarships from the Philosophy Department
My work experience include writing music for and instructing a high school drumline, and some boring summer jobs.
(If any of these don't count as "softs" then please let me know. I'm not entirely comfortable with all of the pre-law online forum lingo)
I am intent on practicing public interest law. Assuming my LSAT score is 170, what are my chances at the following schools (and does anyone suggest I apply elsewhere as well)?
Berkeley
Georgetown
Harvard (pretty sure I know the answer for this one)
NYU
Columbia
Duke
North Carolina
I was also wondering what you all think about the idea of attending a school that has an LRAP and relying entirely on that and my own salary to pay for my education?
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Re: My numbers, softs, etc.
Public Interest?
Go cheap. Apply to UT, UCLA, Vandy, USC, and Wash U. You'll get pretty close to a full ride at Wash U and you'll get pretty good offers to the others. Otherwise, have fun at Duke.
Go cheap. Apply to UT, UCLA, Vandy, USC, and Wash U. You'll get pretty close to a full ride at Wash U and you'll get pretty good offers to the others. Otherwise, have fun at Duke.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Consistently practicing at 170 is not the same as having a 170. That said if you do pull it off you will be in pretty good shape for most of the schools you listed (except for Harvard, but it wouldn't be impossible for them to bite). You can search the forums for more LRAP info.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
This. Some people (many people, actually) choke on test day. Worry about it after you get your score.St.Remy wrote:Consistently practicing at 170 is not the same as having a 170.
Also, if you're close to 170 you shouldn't even be considering North Carolina, you can do much better.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
You have a great shot at the practice T-14.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
--ImageRemoved--intravenousdrums wrote:I haven't taken the LSAT yet
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
according to tls we all practice at 170
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Mine was a bit lower. Say 168.McNulty wrote:according to tls we all practice at 170
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Actually, I think a good number of the most active posters practice well above 170.r6_philly wrote:Mine was a bit lower. Say 168.McNulty wrote:according to tls we all practice at 170
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And what about the actual scores? What's the distribution of the difference between practice and actual scores?Patriot1208 wrote:Actually, I think a good number of the most active posters practice well above 170.r6_philly wrote:Mine was a bit lower. Say 168.McNulty wrote:according to tls we all practice at 170
I usually like to self-report a bit lower.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Well, many of the most active posters are students at Harvard, Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Virginia, Northwestern, Georgetown, etc. So obviously they did great. Me, my PT average is right at 170 but we'll see how I do saturday.r6_philly wrote:And what about the actual scores? What's the distribution of the difference between practice and actual scores?Patriot1208 wrote:Actually, I think a good number of the most active posters practice well above 170.r6_philly wrote:Mine was a bit lower. Say 168.McNulty wrote:according to tls we all practice at 170
I usually like to self-report a bit lower.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Just so everyone knows, I'm not asking because I'm sending in applications already. It was just a little curiosity. I don't think that my score is a foregone conclusion, and I don't need anyone to tell me that schools won't accept my practice scores. As far as I'm concerned this is similar to a "What LSAT score do I need?" type of question, and there isn't anything pretentious or stupid about it.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Well good luck! I was counting on a 170 and that's what I got. Hope you get it too.Patriot1208 wrote:
Well, many of the most active posters are students at Harvard, Columbia, Chicago, NYU, Virginia, Northwestern, Georgetown, etc. So obviously they did great. Me, my PT average is right at 170 but we'll see how I do saturday.
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You have a good chance at all the schools if you get a 170. I have one, and I am applying to all of T16. I got in Michigan last year. Your GPA is higher, I have a degree 4.0 (3 B's from 15 years ago), but my major is tougher. In T10 it's a little hard to predict because they also consider a lot of other aspects of you as an applicant, so it's not clear cut numbers game. If you have clear cut lower numbers sure you are not going to get in, but as you see, there are lots of other people with equally impressive numbers, your chance also depends on how they like you application.intravenousdrums wrote:Just so everyone knows, I'm not asking because I'm sending in applications already. It was just a little curiosity. I don't think that my score is a foregone conclusion, and I don't need anyone to tell me that schools won't accept my practice scores. As far as I'm concerned this is similar to a "What LSAT score do I need?" type of question, and there isn't anything pretentious or stupid about it.
As others say, there is good possibility that you would score away from your practice average. You could get a 164 and you could get a 173, luck has a lot to do with it. And a 164 and 173 would generate night and day difference in odds of getting accepted with your 4.0. So... these questions are better answered after the test.
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Got to Law School Numbers. Knock yourself out.intravenousdrums wrote:Just so everyone knows, I'm not asking because I'm sending in applications already. It was just a little curiosity. I don't think that my score is a foregone conclusion, and I don't need anyone to tell me that schools won't accept my practice scores. As far as I'm concerned this is similar to a "What LSAT score do I need?" type of question, and there isn't anything pretentious or stupid about it.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Welcome to TLS; you must be new around here.intravenousdrums wrote:Just so everyone knows, I'm not asking because I'm sending in applications already. It was just a little curiosity. I don't think that my score is a foregone conclusion, and I don't need anyone to tell me that schools won't accept my practice scores. As far as I'm concerned this is similar to a "What LSAT score do I need?" type of question, and there isn't anything pretentious or stupid about it.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Hahah that was rich.Marionberry wrote:Anybody remember Dr. Strangelove?
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I wonder where he decided to apply once he had is perfect LSAT in handrad law wrote:Hahah that was rich.Marionberry wrote:Anybody remember Dr. Strangelove?
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 9&t=113616
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Didn't he decide to become a CPA or something?
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Dr. Strangelove was practicing at 177. After months of creating hypothetical threads ("Where should I apply with 177 and 3.0/ Can I get into academia with 175+ and 3.0"), Dr. Strangelove got pwned on the June LSAT and got a 165 on the real deal.
He is now a CPA.
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CPA>LawyerKafka wrote:Dr. Strangelove was practicing at 177. After months of creating hypothetical threads ("Where should I apply with 177 and 3.0/ Can I get into academia with 175+ and 3.0"), Dr. Strangelove got pwned on the June LSAT and got a 165 on the real deal.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
And he was so sure he'd get that great score.. I almost felt bad for him when the real scores came out. I couldn't see his face, but I can imagine that profound look of defeat. Sucks, but that's what happens when you count your chickens before they catch. Definitely gives credence to the "real score or gtfo" attitude that permeates TLS.Kafka wrote:Dr. Strangelove was practicing at 177. After months of creating hypothetical threads ("Where should I apply with 177 and 3.0/ Can I get into academia with 175+ and 3.0"), Dr. Strangelove got pwned on the June LSAT and got a 165 on the real deal.
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Re: 4.0, hypothetical 170
Cooley.
I am JK 4.0 and 170 = 10-100 take your pick...
I am JK 4.0 and 170 = 10-100 take your pick...
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