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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by ResolutePear » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:01 am

ResolutePear wrote:Can I get a humor-ban exemption on this thread?

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by 2014 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:05 am

I don't see how someone who went to a school that pumps their GPA up and only needs to get a 163 or something to go to Harvard is complaining when plenty of others out there went to schools that grade normal and have to bust their ass to have any shot at t14 or even t1 schools.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by whymeohgodno » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:09 am

2014 wrote:I don't see how someone who went to a school that pumps their GPA up and only needs to get a 163 or something to go to Harvard is complaining when plenty of others out there went to schools that grade normal and have to bust their ass to have any shot at t14 or even t1 schools.
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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:10 am

kohinoor wrote:URM's just send in a headshot.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:11 am

kalvano wrote:
kohinoor wrote:URM's just send in a headshot.
This...is funny.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:13 am

I forget what thread he posted in that in, but I damn near spit out my drink when I saw it.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by Kobe_Teeth » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:21 am

Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by ResolutePear » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:23 am

Kobe_Teeth wrote:Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?
URM is an effort to correct past wrongs from what I understand. Just like Aff. Act.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:23 am

kalvano wrote:I forget what thread he posted in that in, but I damn near spit out my drink when I saw it.
Ha, I wondered. It didn't find it in this thread but I didn't care. I read it...sort of gagged...read it again...and realized outright laughter and glee was the appropriate response.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by whymeohgodno » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:25 am

ResolutePear wrote:
Kobe_Teeth wrote:Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?
URM is an effort to correct past wrongs from what I understand. Just like Aff. Act.
Apparently past wrongs against other minorities not included in Aff Act has been corrected....NOT.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:26 am

ResolutePear wrote:
Kobe_Teeth wrote:Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?
URM is an effort to correct past wrongs from what I understand. Just like Aff. Act.
From what I've seen on LSN, URM status goes a long way if said URM has a high GPA and a mediocre LSAT. He could get into most of the T14 with a 165. I'd probably bet on that, although I'm not much of a gambler.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:27 am

Ability to score a high GPA and ability to score a high LSAT are not really related except in the barest of terms.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by ResolutePear » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:29 am

kalvano wrote:Ability to score a high GPA and ability to score a high LSAT are not really related except in the barest of terms.
If you score a high GPA, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

If you score a high LSAT, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:30 am

You know, I can't help but wonder...

If AA is implemented in LS admissions as a means to prevent discrimination, why not have all applicants apply without designating their race/ethnicity? I understand that diversity is a big issue, but perhaps plenty of diversity could be realized under this system? 'Twould also prevent discrimination...

Why not?

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:30 am

ResolutePear wrote:
kalvano wrote:Ability to score a high GPA and ability to score a high LSAT are not really related except in the barest of terms.
If you score a high GPA, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

If you score a high LSAT, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

Not really. You can show up piss-drunk and look at porn all class and still do well in undergrad.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:31 am

ResolutePear wrote:
kalvano wrote:Ability to score a high GPA and ability to score a high LSAT are not really related except in the barest of terms.
If you score a high GPA, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

If you score a high LSAT, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.
That'd be just fine, if it weren't for those who study for a year and can't hit 170. Most people have a ceiling.

Edit: I realized my argument was just bad. What I should have said is that there are people out there that don't have to study much at all (or be responsible) who can score a higher LSAT than those that study their anxious little butts off.
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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by whymeohgodno » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:32 am

kalvano wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
kalvano wrote:Ability to score a high GPA and ability to score a high LSAT are not really related except in the barest of terms.
If you score a high GPA, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

If you score a high LSAT, it's because you did your homework and were responsible enough.

Not really. You can show up piss-drunk and look at porn all class and still do well in undergrad.
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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:33 am

DearCan wrote:You know, I can't help but wonder...

If AA is implemented in LS admissions as a means to prevent discrimination, why not have all applicants apply without designating their race/ethnicity? I understand that diversity is a big issue, but perhaps plenty of diversity could be realized under this system? 'Twould also prevent discrimination...

Why not?

URM boost isn't designed to prevent discrimination. It's designed to recognize the fact that a lot of black people (as well as other minorities, but black people especially) come from impoverished areas and are not given the same educational opportunities as white people, and therefore do poorer on standardized testing.

If you believe in that stuff.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by Kobe_Teeth » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:33 am

ResolutePear wrote:
Kobe_Teeth wrote:Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?
URM is an effort to correct past wrongs from what I understand. Just like Aff. Act.
...such as poor quality of education?
I guess I assume URM status to be for slightly different purposes. I would assume it is to level the playing field for portions of our population that don't statistically have the same access to quality education. Also, I assume it is done to even the playing field for (what I think to be a very real advantage) white privilege. I think an argument could be made that these aren't issues for OP.

(However, white privilege is a bitch. Assumptions are made about people based on the color of their skin regardless of the name on the degree. - I'm just saying an interesting argument could be made.)

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by Mike12188 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:36 am

Kobe_Teeth wrote:
(However, white privilege is a bitch. Assumptions are made about people based on the color of their skin regardless of the name on the degree. - I'm just saying an interesting argument could be made.)
Being a white kid from one of these impoverished areas is prob the worst case scenario...same opportunities but no help for you. That sucks

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by whymeohgodno » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:36 am

Kobe_Teeth wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
Kobe_Teeth wrote:Also, OP has an Ivy League education which he used to qualify his 3.8 gpa.

I think an argument could at least be made that he shouldn't even get to or need to rely on his URM status, since that status is designated, in part, to make up for gaps in quality of education. That is, unless I misunderstand the purpose of URM status.

Am I off base here?
URM is an effort to correct past wrongs from what I understand. Just like Aff. Act.
...such as poor quality of education?
I guess I assume URM status to be for slightly different purposes. I would assume it is to level the playing field for portions of our population that don't statistically have the same access to quality education. Also, I assume it is done to even the playing field for (what I think to be a very real advantage) white privilege. I think an argument could be made that these aren't issues for OP.

(However, white privilege is a bitch. Assumptions are made about people based on the color of their skin regardless of the name on the degree. - I'm just saying an interesting argument could be made.)
Is there an Asian privilege (maybe having slave drivers as parents)?

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by Kobe_Teeth » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:38 am

whymeohgodno wrote: Is there an Asian privilege (maybe having slave drivers as parents)?
Somehow it turned into a benefit for the Asian folk.
But ya know...strokes...folks...different. You get my drift.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by ResolutePear » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:39 am

Mike12188 wrote:
Kobe_Teeth wrote:
(However, white privilege is a bitch. Assumptions are made about people based on the color of their skin regardless of the name on the degree. - I'm just saying an interesting argument could be made.)
Being a white kid from one of these impoverished areas is prob the worst case scenario...same opportunities but no help for you. That sucks
There's a tad bit of truth, but when you take an impovished hispanic and an impoverished white person and polish them up, clearly one of more marketable than the next in America.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:40 am

kalvano wrote:
DearCan wrote:You know, I can't help but wonder...

If AA is implemented in LS admissions as a means to prevent discrimination, why not have all applicants apply without designating their race/ethnicity? I understand that diversity is a big issue, but perhaps plenty of diversity could be realized under this system? 'Twould also prevent discrimination...

Why not?

URM boost isn't designed to prevent discrimination. It's designed to recognize the fact that a lot of black people (as well as other minorities, but black people especially) come from impoverished areas and are not given the same educational opportunities as white people, and therefore do poorer on standardized testing.

If you believe in that stuff.
Yeah, but you and I both know that there enough white people in poverty / homeless to warrant AA as discriminatory to impoverished whites. I'm not even white, but I do not believe that a minority in poverty should have some inherent advantage over a white person in the same situation.

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Re: So unfair that so much weight hinges on an lsat score

Post by kalvano » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:41 am

DearCan wrote:
kalvano wrote:
DearCan wrote:You know, I can't help but wonder...

If AA is implemented in LS admissions as a means to prevent discrimination, why not have all applicants apply without designating their race/ethnicity? I understand that diversity is a big issue, but perhaps plenty of diversity could be realized under this system? 'Twould also prevent discrimination...

Why not?

URM boost isn't designed to prevent discrimination. It's designed to recognize the fact that a lot of black people (as well as other minorities, but black people especially) come from impoverished areas and are not given the same educational opportunities as white people, and therefore do poorer on standardized testing.

If you believe in that stuff.
Yeah, but you and I both know that there enough white people in poverty / homeless to warrant AA as discriminatory to impoverished whites. I'm not even white, but I do not believe that a minority in poverty should have some inherent advantage over a white person in the same situation.

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