What are my chances?
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:41 am
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Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
No expert on URM admissions, but I don't think NA is near as big a boost as AA.naterj wrote:Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
Ugh, I would expect the opposite of this. I haven't seen the statistics, but do you thing that AAs are more underrepresented than NAs? It seems really unlikely to me.kalvano wrote:No expert on URM admissions, but I don't think NA is near as big a boost as AA.naterj wrote:Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
This is just anecdotal, but the common attitude suggests that AA's get much more of a boost than any other kind of URM. Although I'm sure there are more African American people than truly Native American people in law school, African Americans may still be more underrepresented in proportion with population.JakeL wrote:Ugh, I would expect the opposite of this. I haven't seen the statistics, but do you thing that AAs are more underrepresented than NAs? It seems really unlikely to me.kalvano wrote:No expert on URM admissions, but I don't think NA is near as big a boost as AA.naterj wrote:Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
Regardless, it sounds like applicant should work a year or two before applying. Maybe try to distance from self from education because that GPA is pretty bad, and the addendum is going to make it sound worse.
With URM, I think there's a shot at some T50 schools. Retake LSAT if higher score is possible.
Disagree 1000%. How many schools have Native Americans?kalvano wrote:No expert on URM admissions, but I don't think NA is near as big a boost as AA.naterj wrote:Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
Because there are more AA's in law school than NA's doesn't make it necessary that NA gives a bigger boost. Also, ask Nightrunner, he'll tell you that NA doesn't get much of a boost (he is Native American).sporkdevil wrote:Disagree 1000%. How many schools have Native Americans?kalvano wrote:No expert on URM admissions, but I don't think NA is near as big a boost as AA.naterj wrote:Srsly? Even with the NA urm?kalvano wrote:2.81 will effectively lock you out of most of the T50.
Just about jack shit of them.
One of my professors talked about his time as a admin at a T14, and specifically pointed out a Native American (he teaches Native American law as well... so he may be biased) and said, "Bring this person in."
So you have a 163.5 lsat and some shitty-ish GPA. That doesn't take away your URM status, and you have to know that plenty of colleges will "pay" for you with either scholarship or either by pulling you in on the low side. The number of native americans in law school is minimal, and schools will work to get you in. I would think you have very legitimate chances in the top 25, but note that its been a few years since I applied to law school.
lol I hope he appreciates thisPatriot1208 wrote:
Because there are more AA's in law school than NA's doesn't make it necessary that NA gives a bigger boost. Also, ask Nightrunner, he'll tell you that NA doesn't get much of a boost (he is Native American).
Pip wrote:Your chances even if you claimed URM are pretty slim at any T50 school... You would be an Indian with a bad GPA and you can bet that there are Indians out there that have higher GPAs and the same or better LSAT scores... so why would they pick you? They wouldn't. If you really want to get into a top school you need to distance yourself from the bad grades... Either go get a job and work for a few years, or go get another degree in something and make sure you kick ass in the grades department. I think the second degree route might be your shortest and best IF you can really get good grades even in the classes that you don't think matter. And please don't put the fact that you didn't care about certain classes as an excuse for bad grades, I can assure you there will be more than a handful of classes in law school that you don't really think matter too.
Addendums are to be avoided like the plague, from everything I've read...you should find ways to avoid writing one, not reasons to write one. HTHmrwarre85 wrote:I heard that University of Wisconsin is somewhat "soft" friendly. Hmm yeah I suppose on the URM thing I should just apply to lots of schools and maybe one or two will not have any Native Americans on board and will give me a harder look.
Does anyone have any experience writing addendums? I have a good positive tone on my PS but with the addendum I'm having trouble avoiding sounding like I have some great conspiracy theory against higher education or some other terrible attitude problem. Its tough because I absolutely was smart enough to make good grades (didn't attend a challenging University plus made A's in all the harder classes) and I absolutely wasn't lazy in college. Anyone out there can relate?
Don't listen to Pip, he's generally wrong about a lot of things.mrwarre85 wrote:I've already taken the LSAT a few times. I suppose I may retake in FEB. Also no UT with a 180? Chance at T-14 with a 170+? Something seems off here. I’m a Texas resident, I think I have the best chance at UT versus all the other schools ranked in the top 25. I’ve also visited with some of the admissions people and if anyone is soft friendly its UT.
I’m thankful for everyone’s help and I’m excited to see if I get into some decent schools. If I do I think I’ll add some anecdotal evidence that softs do matter.
Nobody likes the testmrwarre85 wrote:You are probably right but I think that is so strange. I mean what is the difference between a 2.95 and a 3.02? I suppose adcomms always fall for the burritos at Taco-Mayo that are $.99.mrwarre85 wrote:While yes, URM's with high LSAT's are rare, schools really don't like to accept sub-3.0's.
I had thought there was some sort of GPA/LSAT composite soup score thing that would get a boost from things like. in-state, involvment, career goals, writing ability, etc.
Basically I'm just pissed because it sounds like I'm going to be the smart kid at a dumb kid school while I would prefer for it to be the other way around. That is what I was before and how I got myself into this mess in the first place.
I blew it.
Fine I'll take the LSAT again but I really don't like that test.