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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:10 pm
by buckiguy_sucks
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:21 pm
by TheOnePercent
buckiguy_sucks wrote:Anybody think this is me being super rude?
Depends on the context, but generally yes.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:23 pm
by KMart
I had a lot of current students ask me what my scholarship offers were at various schools, but I find it different because they're trying to give me advice on where to attend and it's a different context. I wouldn't ask about debt, I would ask what made them come here. Often they will tell you if it was a money choice or not. You can sort of weed it out that way.
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:24 pm
by buckiguy_sucks
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by buckiguy_sucks
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:30 pm
by KMart
buckiguy_sucks wrote:KMart wrote:I had a lot of current students ask me what my scholarship offers were at various schools, but I find it different because they're trying to give me advice on where to attend and it's a different context. I wouldn't ask about debt, I would ask what made them come here. Often they will tell you if it was a money choice or not. You can sort of weed it out that way.
Yeah I get this but I feel like because they're trying to spin the school very positively, even if the money was the real reason, they'll tell me the community or whatever
I think it depends on the student. Generally some I agree with you, as they're trying to get you to go to the school. However if you can find just a random one who is willing to talk, then you might get a more realistic answer. I've had, what I think, are more of the latter: a lot of people choose based on money + employment outcomes on where they want to go (and I think in that order, but that's my opinion). If it's too expensive or not a good enough risk, why else make the huge investment? You know?
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:42 pm
by TheOnePercent
buckiguy_sucks wrote:TheOnePercent wrote:
Depends on the context, but generally yes.
I don't really know what context it would and would not be appropriate but I've been asking student ambassadors / tour guides / people at bar review or whatever
I equate it to asking someone's salary - which is questionable in any context. If it is offered in conversation, feel free to discuss. Maybe if you're in a private conversation (1-on-1) with a student volunteer/ambassador - asking could be appropriate. But seems pretty gauche to interject that into idle small talk or put a current student on blast in front of a large group (especially if you have no prior relationship with the target).
Best to mine that information indirectly, or at least pick your spots to be blunt.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:31 pm
by BiglawAssociate
It's not rude to me. It's practical.
My coworkers and I talk about debt all the time. Who the fuck cares. If they care, they are poors with chips on their shoulders.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:36 pm
by Clearly
This is super inappropriate. There are ways of feeling this out without being direct and rude.
ETA: Remember that nearly all of these students will still be at the school when you start and will remember this weird interaction. Also I disagree that students going about their business are trying to get you to enroll, or at least I disagree that they would be insincere about it to the point that you should be skeptical of their answers to your questions.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:39 pm
by TheOnePercent
Ehh coworkers are different because you are peers, have rapport, and all folks w/ debt can ostensibly pay it back from that station. Propositioning some rando on campus runs the risk of a social faux pas.
Obviously not something I would do - but to each his own.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:43 pm
by smith
just join the army
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:45 pm
by buckiguy_sucks
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:39 pm
by Clearly
Trust me on this man, it's an inappropriate question as phrased.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:13 am
by martymoose
buckiguy_sucks wrote:its important for me to know about their mindset of what the school is worth
The only mindset that matters is yours. Are you really going to choose a law school based on someone else's level of debt or their perception of bang for the buck? You don't know what a buck is worth to them. You don't know what they hope to get out of law school, or what all of their options were. You should be able to figure this out on your own.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:26 am
by WhiskeyAndCupcakes
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:29 am
by chuckbass
Clearly wrote:Trust me on this man, it's an inappropriate question as phrased.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:08 pm
by sumner
I'm 3L at a T30 and I just gave a tour to a bunch of admitted students on Friday. I encouraged them to ask me anything they want- especially about why my school is better than the school across town.
I think the polite way to get at the answer is to say "why school x over school y with more scholarship money." That gets at the same information without getting too personal.
They also asked me if I have a job lined up, which I didn't mind because I do, but I bet if I was still unemployed I would think it's a rude thing to ask.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:10 pm
by downbeat14
OP, are you for realz? You can't seriously think this is ok when you put yourself in the other person's shoes.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:11 pm
by GreenEggs
At ASDs, so many students openly asked other students about what their scholarship offers are. Thought it was pretty weird, especially if you're already friendly with the person it's awkward to suddenly say "Oh I don't share that."
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Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:18 pm
by buckiguy_sucks
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:22 pm
by GreenEggs
buckiguy_sucks wrote:downbeat14 wrote:OP, are you for realz? You can't seriously think this is ok when you put yourself in the other person's shoes.
TBH this has helped me realized I was a pretty big asshole at ASD so I guess assholes gonna asshole
Take it as a learning experience.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:39 pm
by Broncos847
Serious question, is this kind of behavior typical of law students? I've met quite a few 0L's who have bluntly asked me my LSAT or scholarship offers within minutes of meeting me. It's just so inappropriate.
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:57 pm
by downbeat14
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Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:27 pm
by dasani13
buckiguy_sucks wrote:I get that its a really personal question, but I feel like its important for me to know about their mindset of what the school is worth. Anybody think this is me being super rude?
It's super frustrating when they just say "a lot" or "above six figures" because the difference between 100k and full COA is two hundred thousand dollars
What does that even mean? Every school has students paying sticker and others who got a full-ride. What are you trying to learn by asking particular students about their debt?
Re: Asking current students about their debt
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:50 pm
by TheOnePercent
dasani13 wrote:What are you trying to learn by asking particular students about their debt?
OP came around.
buckiguy_sucks wrote:TBH this has helped me realized I was a pretty big asshole at ASD so I guess assholes gonna asshole