Ann Ivey - To Take her Advice or Not
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You know what is funny - in Anne Ivey's book she gives the advice that you are turning against - that we should go to the school that will suit us best because we will do our best there; and here she is, telling us even if we do we are doomed.Previously, I was feeling a little more soft and fuzzy on that issue: "I'll go to the school that best suits my emotional needs!" Not bloody likely, now.
Deciding to go to law school, filling out the applications, writing the personal statement, gathering the recommendations, and deciding on one law school to attend is truly an emotional journey. Am I being too sensitive? Did anyone else cry while writing/revising/hearing feedback on their personal statement? Maybe I've divulged too much information...
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Not at all. But every time I mention this kind of thing to an actual practicing attorney they look at me like I'm growing a horn out of my forehead. "Feelings? Emotions? These do not form a logical basis for a life altering decision.
I know what you mean - I had one attorney tell me the other day that the personal statement was no big deal. Maybe Law School is like one big vacuum that sucks out all feeling. I don't know if I would mind that...I hope I don't cry in class one day. That would suck.
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Work your tails off in your lower-ranked law schools and be proud of your legal education. You can do many things if you really believe that you can and are willing to work for it.
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From what I learned on the forums at intelproplaw, it seems to be a mixed bag for IP people too. If you go to a tier-2, you better be in the top 10-15% to get considered for those >100k salaried jobs. I know a guy who got his PhD recently from a top-20 school and is in Santa Clara intending to do an IP concentration. Apparently he is struggling with it - getting an average GPA (Bs) won't cut it. Nothing's guaranteed. I'm aiming for Santa Clara - but I'm having my doubts on my job prospects if I go there and don't pull out straight As.
Even one of my friends who was on law review at Hastings (while not in the top-14, still a tier 1) - is NOT pulling out a 100K+ salary, 4-5 years after law school. Granted he works at a boutique firm, but still...
I've saved enough to finance my law school education completely, but I don't want to waste my money if I'm going to pull only 50K per year. I realize that I would probably be taking a pay cut initially after law school, but would like to have a reasonable chance to boost it beyond 100K after a couple years.
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Who knows, maybe I'll be the exception to the rule at the t14 I applied to. If not, I'm perfectly happy with my safety schools. Both law firms I've worked for already told me that once I graduate, they'd be happy to hire me, assuming I pass the bar. I guess I'm lucky that I was able to show my work ethic to them before I went to law school.
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I agree with that but I think graduating from a lower school, when you want to stay in that region and will have very little debt b/c of scholarship money, is actually a great move.
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(Hence my inner battle between attending CCN or going to a regional school with no debt)
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Ivey is revealing a commonly misunderstood conception of the law profession. People with the mentality of: "I'm going to a law school, thus am set for life" are in trouble. The lower you go down the rankings, the more likely you'll need to work somewhat harder to get into a V100 firm or whatever. But, for ambitious and hardworking individuals, who are realistic in their outlook can expect to do well. They are all characteristics inherent in many good practicing lawyers.
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The problem is that the opportunities available at a T-14 vs a T3 differ dramatically.A great piece of advice I got - It's not about the school you go to, it's about the opportunities you take while you're there.
Hell, they differ dramatically when comparing a top 5 to a top 20.
Don't fool yourself: school ranking matters a ton.
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Dude. Relax. What did I say? I said that ranking matters a ton. And it does, whether you are happy with your options out of your T2 or not. I haven't said anything so far (in this thread at least) that can be contradicted in any way.again, only in the context of what you want to do with your law degree.
Options at lower tiered schools are very different. No one can dispute that.
EDIT: he deleted his post.
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