In at Notre Dame (2013) Forum

[txhorn]

Notre Dame is a sinking ship.

Lol I wouldn't say that, but it's not looking pretty the next few years if they can't get more firms to travel to South Bend. When will firms want to travel? Only when the economy is good?

[mike_C]

This is just sad. Not Notre Dame's job prospects, the way you guys are reacting. Ugh.

Rightfully so. I would be going into Notre Dame paying sticker (If i get off the waitlist). Without BIGLAW how the fuck could anybody pay this amount of debt back. In this economy they say people who made law review at ND got no offers...This doesn't help their case by only being able to pull, a pathetic, 39 firms for OCI 2010.

Not to mention the whole BIGLAW model MAY be changing for the good. It may never come back to what it once was circa 2008. ND is royally fucked if this is the case. No real market...

I'm not so sure I wanna be there when it happens...

[txhorn]

The world will end in 2012 anyways so it's not like any of this matters either way

[robin600]

This is just sad. Not Notre Dame's job prospects, the way you guys are reacting. Ugh.

Rightfully so. I would be going into Notre Dame paying sticker (If i get off the waitlist). Without BIGLAW how the fuck could anybody pay this amount of debt back. In this economy they say people who made law review at ND got no offers...This doesn't help their case by only being able to pull, a pathetic, 39 firms for OCI 2010.

Not to mention the whole BIGLAW model MAY be changing for the good. It may never come back to what it once was circa 2008. ND is royally fucked if this is the case. No real market...

I'm not so sure I wanna be there when it happens...

IBR/ICR

[A'nold]

This is just sad. Not Notre Dame's job prospects, the way you guys are reacting. Ugh.

Rightfully so. I would be going into Notre Dame paying sticker (If i get off the waitlist). Without BIGLAW how the fuck could anybody pay this amount of debt back. In this economy they say people who made law review at ND got no offers...This doesn't help their case by only being able to pull, a pathetic, 39 firms for OCI 2010.

Not to mention the whole BIGLAW model MAY be changing for the good. It may never come back to what it once was circa 2008. ND is royally fucked if this is the case. No real market...

I'm not so sure I wanna be there when it happens...

Even without IBR you would still be able to turn your 180k or so investment in a ND degree into a profitable one. Say you start out at 60k. Sure, you will be hurting (not more than about 80% of americans anyway) at first, but within 3 years you will likely be at 80k, then 100k+ two years after that. By then, you could realistically be close to paying down all of your student loans debt if you lived a medium (not getting yourself into $500-1,000 car payments, getting a mortgage, etc.) lifestyle. W/in 8 years, you should be debt free and making 120k+ which is not a bad life IMO. If you open your own firm in that time, you should be making well above that by that time.

[flcath]

Notre Dame is a sinking ship.

The school will do fine in the long run--it has a good name and, far more importantly, a much better financial situation than many higher ranked schools--but

This is just sad. Not Notre Dame's job prospects, the way you guys are reacting. Ugh.

79 employers is startlingly bad. Are you or will you be at NDLS? 'Cause I'm not talking shit about the school (which seems awesome), nor am I even really complaining. I'm worrying aloud.

Also, I always take TLS stories about placement at specific schools with a huge grain of salt in the absence of data. For example, I still think the "law reviewers not getting SAs" line being parrotted around this place probably refers to a very small, anomalous sample. But reports like this (firms at OCI) are objective fact, and they are quite disconcerting.

[Jamaica88]

On a lighter note... I'm going to be a 1l in the fall and still need a roommate, so if anyone is interested message me.

[notme]

Take all of the OCI stuff on TLS with more than a grain of salt. Last year the same predicitions and a lot of misinformation made the TLS rounds, and when the stats came out, NDL was 19th when you combined NLJ 250 and judicial clerkships, both Article III (19th behind UCLA) and total (19th behind USC). The fact that firms are conducting OCI at nearby schools doesn't mean they are doing a lot of hiring. Even firms that are not in a hiring mode may cherry pick a few top candidates, but they aren't going to put out much effort to do so. I think the fact that ND retains its standing notwithstanding the fact that it is located in the middle of nowhere really says something about the school.

[Jamaica88]

Bluemoon86 I've been trying to message you but I can't. Interested in rooming shoot me an email at jihanmae@umich.edu.

[pioneers2]

Have to comment. First time poster. Have 2 children, a Vandy Law '08 grad and a rising 3L at Notre Dame. Both are Northwestern UG's. Notre Dame is not a sinking ship. It is doing no worse than other schools in this economy. My Vandy Law grad is at Kirkland in Chicago and SO is at Skadden in Chicago (also a Vandy grad). Their summer classes in '07 were around 85 or better. The summers this year are under 20! Kirkland and Skadden (Chicago) went to FIVE law schools each last fall. That's all. My rising 3L has a PILI position this summer and it is good, not biglaw, but a very good position and is making good contacts and a roommate is at Jones Day Chicago office. (This person is on Law Review, mine is on a secondary journal.) Notre Dame's alumi networking is outstanding. They take care of their people. Their facilities are amazing. There are no guarantees these days. Just saying.

[txhorn]

Have to comment. First time poster. Have 2 children, a Vandy Law '08 grad and a rising 3L at Notre Dame. Both are Northwestern UG's. Notre Dame is not a sinking ship. It is doing no worse than other schools in this economy. My Vandy Law grad is at Kirkland in Chicago and SO is at Skadden in Chicago (also a Vandy grad). Their summer classes in '07 were around 85 or better. The summers this year are under 20! Kirkland and Skadden (Chicago) went to FIVE law schools each last fall. That's all. My rising 3L has a PILI position this summer and it is good, not biglaw, but a very good position and is making good contacts and a roommate is at Jones Day Chicago office. (This person is on Law Review, mine is on a secondary journal.) Notre Dame's alumi networking is outstanding. They take care of their people. Their facilities are amazing. There are no guarantees these days. Just saying.

What sort of opportunities do you know of that were thanks to the alumni network?

[registeredpatriot]

any movement for anyone on the waitlist?

[txhorn]

any movement for anyone on the waitlist?

I called yesterday and they said it ain't likely; only when someone drops.

[clint4law]

Anyone hear anything good or bad about Hurwich Farms?

[bluemoon86]

Bluemoon86 I've been trying to message you but I can't. Interested in rooming shoot me an email at jihanmae@umich.edu.

Just emailed you.

[Hamilton]

Good Luck all at ND.

[clint4law]

any feedback/comments about The Pointe?

[expat17]

Have to comment. First time poster. Have 2 children, a Vandy Law '08 grad and a rising 3L at Notre Dame. Both are Northwestern UG's. Notre Dame is not a sinking ship. It is doing no worse than other schools in this economy. My Vandy Law grad is at Kirkland in Chicago and SO is at Skadden in Chicago (also a Vandy grad). Their summer classes in '07 were around 85 or better. The summers this year are under 20! Kirkland and Skadden (Chicago) went to FIVE law schools each last fall. That's all. My rising 3L has a PILI position this summer and it is good, not biglaw, but a very good position and is making good contacts and a roommate is at Jones Day Chicago office. (This person is on Law Review, mine is on a secondary journal.) Notre Dame's alumi networking is outstanding. They take care of their people. Their facilities are amazing. There are no guarantees these days. Just saying.

why are you spending time on law school admisions boards if both your kids are in law school, and not you? you considering applying? otherwise it seems a little obsessive ... gunner much?

[ArtVandelay]

Can anyone tell me about Clover Village apartments? Is it worth giving up my place on-campus to live there?

[fulkersonr1]

Can anyone tell me about Clover Village apartments? Is it worth giving up my place on-campus to live there?

When I went to look at it the office was closed but it looked to be a nice enough complex. I went with on campus just because I want to have the convenience of being able to walk to class and other places on campus.

[Jamaica88]

Can anyone tell me about Clover Village apartments? Is it worth giving up my place on-campus to live there?

Clover village is nice, they just did some renovations but I heard from a rising 2L that it is very much an undergrad scene and gets rowdy at the end of the school year/football games etc. I would suggest visiting if you can and get a feel for the place!

[Big Tuna]

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[fulkersonr1]

Can anyone tell me about Clover Village apartments? Is it worth giving up my place on-campus to live there?

Clover village is nice, they just did some renovations but I heard from a rising 2L that it is very much an undergrad scene and gets rowdy at the end of the school year/football games etc. I would suggest visiting if you can and get a feel for the place!

Clover village (formerly Turtle Creek) is definitely under-grad heavy so if having loud parties on Thursday-Saturday nights isn't your thing then look elsewhere. Clover ridge (under the same management) is just up the road closer to the Martin's plaza and is a lot quieter.

Actually forget my first comment, I think I was referring to Clover Ridge. I did not really like the place that used to be Turtle Creek.

[Jamaica88]

are people doing service projects during orientation or am I the only one considering it?

[pohboydomer]

are people doing service projects during orientation or am I the only one considering it?

My year, virtually everyone did service projects. It was a great way to spend a few hours with your classmates and get to know them, because a lot of orientation is just sitting around in chairs listening to people talk. Do it.