In at Notre Dame (2013) Forum

[Veritas]

I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats man! I know you have been waiting a long time! How is ND looking relative to your other offers?

reallllly realllly good

[fulkersonr1]

I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats man! I know you have been waiting a long time! How is ND looking relative to your other offers?

reallllly realllly good

Awesome! Hope to see you there! Is this new avatar because you are so sunny and happy about getting the news you waited so long for?

[UF Gators]

I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG Congrats!!!!!!!!!

[jks289]

So I just had a tour and an interview with Melissa from the admissions office today at ND. I thought I'd pass on some useful information. Scholarships are super tight this year so far (they aren't planning on handing any more out because they are over-target), if you're WLed, don't expect anything. They are over-target currently (aka: too many people have accepted offers already) so the WL will be a rough ride. If you're on the WL, they can see where you are waitlisted at other schools after April 15th, and they aren't fond of people being on more than one past June. This probably goes for most schools, so if you're on like 5,000 waitlists like me you might need to think things through before committing to a wait list. The class I sat in today opened with the Lord's Prayer, and there are crucifixes in every room and a law school chapel. If you aren't religious, or aren't comfortable with being around it, you may want to think about your decision.

OK so that was the main points. My interview went really well and she was really impressed with my accomplishments thus far. I really liked the campus, and being Catholic, I'd love to supplement my education with a religious aspect. Therefore I'm sticking this WL out for sure.

Say what?!

Yikes, I need additional confirmation before I believe this. Are you sure she didn't mean places where you have put down a deposit??

[Veritas]

I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats man! I know you have been waiting a long time! How is ND looking relative to your other offers?

reallllly realllly good

Awesome! Hope to see you there! Is this new avatar because you are so sunny and happy about getting the news you waited so long for?

Perhaps! A new dawning...plus I don't even watch that show

I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG Congrats!!!!!!!!!

This is our plan! REMEMBER!!

[UF Gators]

OMG Congrats!!!!!!!!!

This is our plan! REMEMBER!!

Well I am visiting campus in two weeks so hopefully I will be able to join you there in the fall!

[Veritas]

OMG Congrats!!!!!!!!!

This is our plan! REMEMBER!!

Well I am visiting campus in two weeks so hopefully I will be able to join you there in the fall!

you know I <3 you but the new name makes me cringe and simultaneously.

[UF Gators]

OMG Congrats!!!!!!!!!

This is our plan! REMEMBER!!

Well I am visiting campus in two weeks so hopefully I will be able to join you there in the fall!

you know I <3 you but the new name makes me cringe and simultaneously.

Well maybe I will change it for your sake .

[robin600]

The class I sat in today opened with the Lord's Prayer, and there are crucifixes in every room and a law school chapel. If you aren't religious, or aren't comfortable with being around it, you may want to think about your decision.

I've been curious about this. I'm not Catholic, but I am religious. Are there any available statistics of the religious makeup of the student body?

Around 2/3 is Catholic, 85% of undergrad is.

So I just had a tour and an interview with Melissa from the admissions office today at ND. I thought I'd pass on some useful information. Scholarships are super tight this year so far (they aren't planning on handing any more out because they are over-target), if you're WLed, don't expect anything. They are over-target currently (aka: too many people have accepted offers already) so the WL will be a rough ride. If you're on the WL, they can see where you are waitlisted at other schools after April 15th, and they aren't fond of people being on more than one past June. This probably goes for most schools, so if you're on like 5,000 waitlists like me you might need to think things through before committing to a wait list. The class I sat in today opened with the Lord's Prayer, and there are crucifixes in every room and a law school chapel. If you aren't religious, or aren't comfortable with being around it, you may want to think about your decision.

OK so that was the main points. My interview went really well and she was really impressed with my accomplishments thus far. I really liked the campus, and being Catholic, I'd love to supplement my education with a religious aspect. Therefore I'm sticking this WL out for sure.

Say what?!

Yikes, I need additional confirmation before I believe this. Are you sure she didn't mean places where you have put down a deposit??

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

[sam7711]

Good info. Is anyone else debating whether to attend ND at full-price (ie., no scholarship)? Im really torn at this point.

On one hand, ND is a great school with a strong alumni base. But, what worries me about ND is its location. Unlike other similar schools, ND does not dominant a local market. Sure, the school has a great regional reputation in the midwest, especially Chicago - but so does NW, Chicago, Michigan, Wisconsin, ect. In this economy, I think that's a big deal. For instance, I bet Wash U (a very comparable school to ND) grads have numerous job opportunities in St. Louis. It's the top-dog in the STL market. But, what's ND have? Indy? I would think IU grads are equally as numerous and competitive.

[badwithpseudonyms]

Good info. Is anyone else debating whether to attend ND at full-price (ie., no scholarship)? Im really torn at this point.

On one hand, ND is a great school with a strong alumni base. But, what worries me about ND is its location. Unlike other similar schools, ND does not dominant a local market. Sure, the school has a great regional reputation in the midwest, especially Chicago - but so does NW, Chicago, Michigan, Wisconsin, ect. In this economy, I think that's a big deal. For instance, I bet Wash U (a very comparable school to ND) grads have numerous job opportunities in St. Louis. It's the top-dog in the STL market. But, what's ND have? Indy? I would think IU grads are equally as numerous and competitive.

FWIW, I don't think I can justify attending ND w/ $ given my other offers (so, to answer your question, no not at sticker). The point you bring up about a lack of feeder market is something that concerns me about ND, although it is not unique to them. It's a problem for a number of the Midwestern schools. From what I've read, I think you're overestimating WUSTL's pull in STL. It sounded to me as though most STL firms were pretty skeptical of WUSTL grads because so many come from all over the country for school and have no real ties to or interest in staying in STL. In the case of Indy, it seems like the legal market isn't big enough to support all the schools vying for it though a majority of IU grads leave the state after graduation.

I'm really hoping for some need-based or additional merit aid, but it sounds like the latter may not be an option.

[Gunners87]

I don't think ND at sticker is a great option, for me anyway. I'm on the WL but I have some great offers at other schools so I will most likely be attending one of those. Anything outside the T14 ITE at sticker is something that needs serious thought IMO...

[vanstone22]

Good info. Is anyone else debating whether to attend ND at full-price (ie., no scholarship)? Im really torn at this point.

On one hand, ND is a great school with a strong alumni base. But, what worries me about ND is its location. Unlike other similar schools, ND does not dominant a local market. Sure, the school has a great regional reputation in the midwest, especially Chicago - but so does NW, Chicago, Michigan, Wisconsin, ect. In this economy, I think that's a big deal. For instance, I bet Wash U (a very comparable school to ND) grads have numerous job opportunities in St. Louis. It's the top-dog in the STL market. But, what's ND have? Indy? I would think IU grads are equally as numerous and competitive.

I'm torn right now as well, WUSTL and ND are my two top choices at this point.
If you perform towards the top in any of those schools listed you will be competitive in the Chicago and Midwest market; from what I understand it comes down to how much you like the school and location. ND is tempting for many because of the tradition and football and the new law building. WUSTL seems to be a safer employment bet due to St. Louis lockdown...albeit slightly.

The statement that employers are skeptical of WUSTL grads is weak. If you state that you want to work in STL to an STL firm then that skepticism they once had is over; the same goes for any job you are applying for. Are you thinking that grads work at a firm and then decide to transfer a short time later? What firms or current students have said this is a legit concern?

[mi-chan17]

IN today via email!

[Zapatero]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

[robin600]

Good info. Is anyone else debating whether to attend ND at full-price (ie., no scholarship)? Im really torn at this point.

On one hand, ND is a great school with a strong alumni base. But, what worries me about ND is its location. Unlike other similar schools, ND does not dominant a local market. Sure, the school has a great regional reputation in the midwest, especially Chicago - but so does NW, Chicago, Michigan, Wisconsin, ect. In this economy, I think that's a big deal. For instance, I bet Wash U (a very comparable school to ND) grads have numerous job opportunities in St. Louis. It's the top-dog in the STL market. But, what's ND have? Indy? I would think IU grads are equally as numerous and competitive.

I'm torn right now as well, WUSTL and ND are my two top choices at this point.
If you perform towards the top in any of those schools listed you will be competitive in the Chicago and Midwest market; from what I understand it comes down to how much you like the school and location. ND is tempting for many because of the tradition and football and the new law building. WUSTL seems to be a safer employment bet due to St. Louis lockdown...albeit slightly.

The statement that employers are skeptical of WUSTL grads is weak. If you state that you want to work in STL to an STL firm then that skepticism they once had is over; the same goes for any job you are applying for. Are you thinking that grads work at a firm and then decide to transfer a short time later? What firms or current students have said this is a legit concern?

Another thing to consider is that ND doesn't rank. How high up do you need to be in the class to be at the top?

[robin600]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

One of the professors is a priest. I'm guessing it's a frequent event, but probably not all professors do this. Mass in the law chapel is a daily event though.

[fulkersonr1]

IN today via email!

Congrats!

[fulkersonr1]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

Does not happen for every class. When I visited there was no prayer or any religious discussion at all in the torts class I sat in on. Mass is offered daily but is only for those who wish to attend no one is ever required to attend. There are no religious law classes required, but some are offered.

[Zapatero]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

Does not happen for every class. When I visited there was no prayer or any religious discussion at all in the torts class I sat in on. Mass is offered daily but is only for those who wish to attend no one is ever required to attend. There are no religious law classes required, but some are offered.

That's what I figured.

What did you think of the new law building? I need to make a trip there to hopefully weasel myself off the waitlist.

[robin600]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

Does not happen for every class. When I visited there was no prayer or any religious discussion at all in the torts class I sat in on. Mass is offered daily but is only for those who wish to attend no one is ever required to attend. There are no religious law classes required, but some are offered.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, yeah mass isn't required, just offered daily, and no prayers aren't before every class (it's almost lent, so I think more so now) but from what students told me, they are said in some classes.

[fulkersonr1]

Yes I am 100% sure that's what she said and meant, because I asked (being on the waitlist I'm gonna have to put a seat deposit down somewhere else, will this count against me?) When they start freeing up spots for the wait lists (when everything is due which is 4/15) they will see how many deposits you have down and how many wait lists you are on. She specifically told me that 2 or even three deposits in april will not hurt you (but it won't help you either), but once you get to June, they expect for you to have one deposit down (your back up) and then one wait list option (them), otherwise they don't think you're serious about attending. No kidding she really said "we don't think you're serious about attending if you are on more than one wait list in June, unless its your dream school like Harvard." <--- exactly

lol.

Did they really start class with a prayer? Does this happen every day for every class?

Does not happen for every class. When I visited there was no prayer or any religious discussion at all in the torts class I sat in on. Mass is offered daily but is only for those who wish to attend no one is ever required to attend. There are no religious law classes required, but some are offered.

That's what I figured.

What did you think of the new law building? I need to make a trip there to hopefully weasel myself off the waitlist.

The law building is fantastic. The library is not finished which sucks for the current students but it will be done this summer. There are a lot of good common areas. The main commons is fantastic. The moot court room is really impressive as well.

[rocross1]

Veritas=Baller. Fulkerson, are you going to the St. Patty's day ASD? If you are going I want to get the TLS/Facebook/Anyone who is down group to go out after the ASD for some brews and to discuss the school. As for the news that they are over target, that is crazy I was waiting to pay my seat deposit to try and get more $, but if that isn't happening I might as well put my deposit down.

[Torvon]

IN today via email!

Wait...what? I thought they only did snail mail....

[mi-chan17]

IN today via email!

Wait...what? I thought they only did snail mail....

Nope. Email today from the Acting Dean of Admissions telling me that I was in, giving me scholarship info, and letting me know that a packet was in the mail.

I was surprised too, but stoked of course!