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UCB now gets to have its name next to H and Y, which is a win for them. Other schools will opt out because being #1 without a few of the T13 in contention is meaningless and does not make the school look great. If U. Iowa or BU becomes slotted to #1, it could be worth it to them in that applications will increase from 0Ls who do not know the history of the rankings with as much nuance as here.EmilyM54 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:08 pmWhat are the potential implications of prominent law schools opting out of U.S. News & World Report's rankings for other law schools across the country? How will this shift impact the admissions process and competition? I personally believe that it will be interesting to see how the legal education landscape changes over time. What are your thoughts?
Because they want the latitude to accept students with low GPAs and low LSATs without bearing the cost of doing so, which is a lower ranking. By dropping out of the horse race entirely, they can move underperforming matriculants off the books Enron style.butonawednesday wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 pmYes, but the real issue is why is all this happening
Excellent info but isn't it true that USNWR can still rank them even after they drop out of the race. I'm seeing that on a few Youtube channels. It's not up to the law school if they want to be ranked by USNWR, which can get enough data from ABA to rank the school, with or without the school's cooperation.melgibsonfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:35 pmBecause they want the latitude to accept students with low GPAs and low LSATs without bearing the cost of doing so, which is a lower ranking. By dropping out of the horse race entirely, they can move underperforming matriculants off the books Enron style.butonawednesday wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 pmYes, but the real issue is why is all this happening
Not all of the data is public knowledge and schools have been dinged in the past for fudging their numbers, both to USNews and the ABA. If Yale drops to three after claiming they’re not partaking in rankings, they have a handy excuse for the slide.butonawednesday wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:15 amExcellent info but isn't it true that USNWR can still rank them even after they drop out of the race. I'm seeing that on a few Youtube channels. It's not up to the law school if they want to be ranked by USNWR, which can get enough data from ABA to rank the school, with or without the school's cooperation.melgibsonfan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:35 pmBecause they want the latitude to accept students with low GPAs and low LSATs without bearing the cost of doing so, which is a lower ranking. By dropping out of the horse race entirely, they can move underperforming matriculants off the books Enron style.butonawednesday wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:01 pmYes, but the real issue is why is all this happening
Nothing will change. USNWR will continue ranking the schools the same way it always has. The T14 will have the usual suspects with UCLA and Gtown battling it out for 14. Law schools will continue posturing, and impressionable 20-something undergrads will keep applying to the same schools as if nothing happened. Stare decisis bro, the legal profession hates change. We still haven't gotten past the "socratic" method of teaching (it's in quotes because one person grilling the class on a reading assignment is neither socratic nor a dialogue). The other day, I saw a state prosecutor call IT support because she couldn't get a 2008 Sony disk player to work. It held up the trial by half an hour.EmilyM54 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:08 pmWhat are the potential implications of prominent law schools opting out of U.S. News & World Report's rankings for other law schools across the country? How will this shift impact the admissions process and competition? I personally believe that it will be interesting to see how the legal education landscape changes over time. What are your thoughts?
Allegro3935 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:49 amNothing will change. USNWR will continue ranking the schools the same way it always has. The T14 will have the usual suspects with UCLA and Gtown battling it out for 14. Law schools will continue posturing, and impressionable 20-something undergrads will keep applying to the same schools as if nothing happened. Stare decisis bro, the legal profession hates change. We still haven't gotten past the "socratic" method of teaching (it's in quotes because one person grilling the class on a reading assignment is neither socratic nor a dialogue). The other day, I saw a state prosecutor call IT support because she couldn't get a 2008 Sony disk player to work. It held up the trial by about 15 minutes.EmilyM54 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:08 pmWhat are the potential implications of prominent law schools opting out of U.S. News & World Report's rankings for other law schools across the country? How will this shift impact the admissions process and competition? I personally believe that it will be interesting to see how the legal education landscape changes over time. What are your thoughts?
The schools' reason for opting out of USNWR rankings is dubious. Dean Gerkin of Yale Law School says, “[o]ne of the most troubling aspects of the U.S. News rankings is that it discourages law schools from providing critical support for students seeking public interest careers and devalues graduates pursuing graduate degrees." If only law school was more affordable! Suddenly the overpaid deans are on the side of the little guy. One begins to suspect that schools are holding USNWR hostage for some reason or another.