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[McJimJam]

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[Biglaw1990]

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But I will not be paying sticker. When I asked my family if it's worth it to take off and apply the next year or apply after December, they thought applying early decision is TCR. There are many people who get the same exact score on a retake, even if the score is well below their average.

Your case is probably .006% of applicants. I still think you should save the money, but if you have the financial backing that obviously makes things different. Ultimately you are leaving money on the table and someone has to pay for that even if it isn't you. I would want to save my parents $200,000. But it isn't my decision, and maybe your dad is Bill Gates, in which case I guess who cares.

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But I will not be paying sticker. When I asked my family if it's worth it to take off and apply the next year or apply after December, they thought applying early decision is TCR. There are many people who get the same exact score on a retake, even if the score is well below their average.

Your case is probably .006% of applicants. I still think you should save the money, but if you have the financial backing that obviously makes things different.

I agree that applying with a 170 will enable me to get $$$, but there is no guarantee that I will break 170 in December. I remain registered to retake in December, and I am going to retake, but I don't want to end up shooting myself in the foot, so to speak.

You already EDed. What if you get 173, then you have shot yourself in the foot.

[cub1014]

And what advice do u guys have to the person in ops analogous situation but has taken 3 times? Technically I have another take but have taken 3 times total

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[benwyatt]

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[McJimJam]

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167 is a good LSAT score. People's standards are too high here.

Also, "I don't understand why people can't retake one test that takes a single day." Yeah, just one test that takes a single day! Ah ha! ha ha!

If you look the majority of comments here weren't even telling him to retake, just not ED. 167 is relatively good (but come on this is top law schools) and I would expect him to get decent money with that and his perfect GPA but he is killing those chances with his decision to ED.

Penn is the #2 feeder school to Biglaw. http://tippingthescales.com/2015/02/the ... w-schools/

Biglaw with a full debt load is still a bad outcome.
I understand that you have financial aid coming from your parents, but that still doesn't make it a smart choice.

Can confirm. Know plenty of people who did it.

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[pancakes3]

It's not moot, you jackass. Your parents will be out $200,000+.

$200,000 cash is a lot of money for just about anyone short of a billionaire. Do your parents really have $60,000 cash sitting in their checking account - or even MM account, ready to fork over? Then again, and then the year after? Then cutting you a check of $2000/mo for rent and living expenses for the next 36 months? But then deciding to let you keep a balance of $40,000 of UG debt accruing 5%+ interest?

[Kinky John]

This is a fun thread

I had much higher hopes for this thread

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[benwyatt]

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[pancakes3]

It's not moot, you jackass. Your parents will be out $200,000+.

$200,000 cash is a lot of money for just about anyone short of a billionaire. Do your parents really have $60,000 cash sitting in their checking account - or even MM account, ready to fork over? Then again, and then the year after? Then cutting you a check of $2000/mo for rent and living expenses for the next 36 months? But then deciding to let you keep a balance of $40,000 of UG debt accruing 5%+ interest?

I don't have any UG debt! I go to a state school where the tuition is dirt-cheap. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff? Undergraduate debt? What?! I might contribute with the money from a 2L SA. That's where that figure comes into play.

Fine. You don't have UG debt. Does the rest still resonate with you?

[ND2018]

It's not moot, you jackass. Your parents will be out $200,000+.

$200,000 cash is a lot of money for just about anyone short of a billionaire. Do your parents really have $60,000 cash sitting in their checking account - or even MM account, ready to fork over? Then again, and then the year after? Then cutting you a check of $2000/mo for rent and living expenses for the next 36 months? But then deciding to let you keep a balance of $40,000 of UG debt accruing 5%+ interest?

I don't have any UG debt! I go to a state school where the tuition is dirt-cheap. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff? Undergraduate debt? What?! I might contribute with the money from a 2L SA. That's where that figure comes into play.

Fine. You don't have UG debt. Does the rest still resonate with you?

Dude get over it, people's parents pay for their schooling all the time. People's parents waste more money on terrible UG's with horrible job prospects, you are complaining cuz OP's parents are gunna pay the kids way through UPENN???

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I'm excited to watch this thread continue to go off track.

Anyone want to take me up on over/under for how long it takes this thread to get lounged?

Nah it won't. It is still about law school, just not what the OP wanted.

It was a RC fail on their part.

That was my fault, but I am impressed everyone followed my poor RC lead.

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I'm not saying to retake, I'm saying you'd get money without ED if you wrote a good app. It's literally flushing 40k in cash down the toilet.

But really a retake is the golden move here. Harvard/Penn full ride for getting a few more ABCDE's right.

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I think this thread has some very good examples for LSAT test takers looking for some assumption question practice.


This chart on the LSAC website should be useful for the OP: http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data and go to the LSAT repeater data 2012-2013 pdf file.
If you have the opportunity to retake up to that third try then by all means take it OP, you have nothing to lose but free money. I know the data from this spreadsheet is from 2012-2013 but that should be irrelevant. For students that got a 167 LSAT on a previous take, 138 improved their score, 10 stayed the same, 75 went down. So, odds are you will improve, and there is zero risk attached but the price of the LSAT and the time to prepare. Of course, considering you have the money to pay for it, it really does seem like a net win situation for you.

[pancakes3]

It's not moot, you jackass. Your parents will be out $200,000+.

$200,000 cash is a lot of money for just about anyone short of a billionaire. Do your parents really have $60,000 cash sitting in their checking account - or even MM account, ready to fork over? Then again, and then the year after? Then cutting you a check of $2000/mo for rent and living expenses for the next 36 months? But then deciding to let you keep a balance of $40,000 of UG debt accruing 5%+ interest?

I don't have any UG debt! I go to a state school where the tuition is dirt-cheap. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff? Undergraduate debt? What?! I might contribute with the money from a 2L SA. That's where that figure comes into play.

Fine. You don't have UG debt. Does the rest still resonate with you?

Dude get over it, people's parents pay for their schooling all the time. People's parents waste more money on terrible UG's with horrible job prospects, you are complaining cuz OP's parents are gunna pay the kids way through UPENN???

Get over what? People's parents DO pay for schooling all the time - mine included. Money is money though. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills in defending the fact that dropping $250k cash over the course of 3 years is kind of a big deal.