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Why am I seriously concerned whenever I meet a 0L at my law school who has never heard of Top-Law-Schools.com?

OhScalia wrote:Why am I seriously concerned whenever I meet a 0L at my law school who has never heard of Top-Law-Schools.com?

I don't know, why are you? I know recent Harvard grads who never touched TLS. They seem plenty informed to me.

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I was surprised how uninformed people were at my school. You should be happy about that however and hope they remain uninformed on how to take law exams.

Personally, I hope I meet a ton of people who don't know about TLS. That means my school will not be full of neurotic people like me. It takes all kinds.

TLS is very useful to anyone applying to law school because the information here is pretty good. So whenever I meet a 0L who never heard of TLS, I always feel that this person did not do adequate research. And I am sure the lower we go down the ranking, the less those students have heard of TLS

Full disclosure: BUT for TLS, I would be graduating from the worst TTT in the USA, Florida Coastal School of law, this coming may. TLS has been good to me.

OhScalia wrote:Why am I seriously concerned whenever I meet a 0L at my law school who has never heard of Top-Law-Schools.com?

Which law schools are throwing 0L parties?

andapieceoftoast wrote:Personally, I hope I meet a ton of people who don't know about TLS. That means my school will not be full of neurotic people like me. It takes all kinds.

+1,000 haha

For what it's worth, some of the most successful students I knew in law school had never heard of TLS. There's something to be said for not wasting time engaged in pointless discussions on the internet.

Yeah, I agree with you that TLS can be a valuable source of information. But the signal-to-noise ratio is low. 95% of the "advice" offered on here consists of the mindless echoing of TLS conventional wisdom. And the advice can be ill-informed and misleading, if not outright wrong.

It's possible for some people to be very successful without ever hearing of TLS. An absurd conclusion would follow if that was not the case when you consider that a lot of people did extremely well in law school before TLS was launched.

What I am saying is in this internet age, I would expect most students to know about TLS. Most Google search about law topics would lead you this site, so I can only assume a lot of students who never heard of TLS did not conduct much research.

OhScalia wrote: What I am saying is in this internet age, I would expect most students to know about TLS. Most Google search about law topics would lead you this site, so I can only assume a lot of students who never heard of TLS did not conduct much research.

Well, "Top Law Schools" is kind of a forgettable name; it's not like it's "Bucky's Forum O' Law" or anything. It's possible that they did their Googling, landed here, read the thread(s) that addressed their question and left without it really registering with them where they were.

In what way is you being "paranoid" the alternative to 0L's being ill-informed?

To answer the question of the title of this thread just because someone has not heard of TLS does not mean they are ill informed, there are plenty of law sites to reference in regards to law school.

There are also plenty of people who rely on knowledgeable people rather than the interwebs to get their information, particularly people with parents/siblings/friends/etc. who have been through law school. A really good prelaw advisor will know everything you can find on here, and may even browse through here regularly to stay abreast of new trends. I have a handful of practicing attorneys in my family (some recent grads), and there is nothing on here that comes close to being as useful as talking to them, with the possible exception of current information relating to scholarship offers. I like coming here because it's useful for me to get a general opinion on a question here before annoying people I know with questions which may be more obvious than I realized. I have yet to be surprised by any huge discrepancy between the information here and the information I receive from other people. The only exception is when everyone I know who is NOT a TLS poster points out an obvious reason why a bunch of 0L's would have no idea what they're talking about on a particular subject.

TLS is useful, but there is plenty of misinformation on here. And even if people are "ill-informed" before arriving at law school, I would be willing to bet they are going to pick up all the relevant info needed to succeed within a week or two of starting 1L. For all you know they spent their time reading through the hornbooks for their first semester classes and will end up having an edge.

ZipWhenSheMoves wrote:In what way is you being "paranoid" the alternative to 0L's being ill-informed?

+1
“Paranoids are not paranoid because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.”
This is not a paranoid situation, it's a fairly simple case of having a really questionable opinion about people you barely know. Your basic social judgement, not your ability to judge what you have perceived as reality, is the problem. Judge people on what pertinent information they know or are ignorant of, not whether or not they have heard of a particular website where you know they could get that information if they needed to, and you'll be fine...or, like, don't judge and all that.

PattyCake wrote:There are also plenty of people who rely on knowledgeable people rather than the interwebs to get their information, particularly people with parents/siblings/friends/etc. who have been through law school. A really good prelaw advisor will know everything you can find on here, and may even browse through here regularly to stay abreast of new trends. I have a handful of practicing attorneys in my family (some recent grads), and there is nothing on here that comes close to being as useful as talking to them, with the possible exception of current information relating to scholarship offers. I like coming here because it's useful for me to get a general opinion on a question here before annoying people I know with questions which may be more obvious than I realized. I have yet to be surprised by any huge discrepancy between the information here and the information I receive from other people. The only exception is when everyone I know who is NOT a TLS poster points out an obvious reason why a bunch of 0L's would have no idea what they're talking about on a particular subject.

TLS is useful, but there is plenty of misinformation on here. And even if people are "ill-informed" before arriving at law school, I would be willing to bet they are going to pick up all the relevant info needed to succeed within a week or two of starting 1L. For all you know they spent their time reading through the hornbooks for their first semester classes and will end up having an edge.

You made a lot of great points. But from experience, I have met a lot of people in law school who could have used TLS information have they known about it, especially when it comes time to bid. I see a lot of people with not so great grades bidding DC or Texas with no ties.

EquallyWrong wrote:

ZipWhenSheMoves wrote:In what way is you being "paranoid" the alternative to 0L's being ill-informed?

+1
“Paranoids are not paranoid because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.”
This is not a paranoid situation, it's a fairly simple case of having a really questionable opinion about people you barely know. Your basic social judgement, not your ability to judge what you have perceived as reality, is the problem. Judge people on what pertinent information they know or are ignorant of, not whether or not they have heard of a particular website where you know they could get that information if they needed to, and you'll be fine...or, like, don't judge and all that.

Relax loser! My point stands despite your rant. Of course, some people don't need the information here because they have parents who are attorneys or advisors. But for the most part, most students could be helped tremendously by browsing TLS.TLS has tons of Articles on law schools, succeeding in law school, bidding, and employment numbers that would be useful to most.

OhScalia wrote:

EquallyWrong wrote:

ZipWhenSheMoves wrote:In what way is you being "paranoid" the alternative to 0L's being ill-informed?

+1
“Paranoids are not paranoid because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.”
This is not a paranoid situation, it's a fairly simple case of having a really questionable opinion about people you barely know. Your basic social judgement, not your ability to judge what you have perceived as reality, is the problem. Judge people on what pertinent information they know or are ignorant of, not whether or not they have heard of a particular website where you know they could get that information if they needed to, and you'll be fine...or, like, don't judge and all that.

Relax loser! My point stands despite your rant. Of course, some people don't need the information here because they have parents who are attorneys or advisors. But for the most part, most students could be helped tremendously by browsing TLS.TLS has tons of Articles on law schools, succeeding in law school, bidding, and employment numbers that would be useful to most.

It's kind of a dumb point, I don't know why you're making it...might have been trolled here.

OhScalia wrote:

PattyCake wrote:There are also plenty of people who rely on knowledgeable people rather than the interwebs to get their information, particularly people with parents/siblings/friends/etc. who have been through law school. A really good prelaw advisor will know everything you can find on here, and may even browse through here regularly to stay abreast of new trends. I have a handful of practicing attorneys in my family (some recent grads), and there is nothing on here that comes close to being as useful as talking to them, with the possible exception of current information relating to scholarship offers. I like coming here because it's useful for me to get a general opinion on a question here before annoying people I know with questions which may be more obvious than I realized. I have yet to be surprised by any huge discrepancy between the information here and the information I receive from other people. The only exception is when everyone I know who is NOT a TLS poster points out an obvious reason why a bunch of 0L's would have no idea what they're talking about on a particular subject.

TLS is useful, but there is plenty of misinformation on here. And even if people are "ill-informed" before arriving at law school, I would be willing to bet they are going to pick up all the relevant info needed to succeed within a week or two of starting 1L. For all you know they spent their time reading through the hornbooks for their first semester classes and will end up having an edge.

You made a lot of great points. But from experience, I have met a lot of people in law school who could have used TLS information have they known about it, especially when it comes time to bid. I see a lot of people with not so great grades bidding DC or Texas with no ties.

Are you talking about OCI bids? Because that's entirely different. You were talking about 0L's not being aware of a particular resource before beginning law school, not currently enrolled law students being unaware of TLS. I would be surprised if many 2L's/3L's hadn't at least heard of TLS by the end of their 1st year. There must be at least a handful of entering 1L's at any given school who will name drop TLS loudly before the end of the first week, even at Cooley.

PattyCake wrote:

OhScalia wrote:

PattyCake wrote:There are also plenty of people who rely on knowledgeable people rather than the interwebs to get their information, particularly people with parents/siblings/friends/etc. who have been through law school. A really good prelaw advisor will know everything you can find on here, and may even browse through here regularly to stay abreast of new trends. I have a handful of practicing attorneys in my family (some recent grads), and there is nothing on here that comes close to being as useful as talking to them, with the possible exception of current information relating to scholarship offers. I like coming here because it's useful for me to get a general opinion on a question here before annoying people I know with questions which may be more obvious than I realized. I have yet to be surprised by any huge discrepancy between the information here and the information I receive from other people. The only exception is when everyone I know who is NOT a TLS poster points out an obvious reason why a bunch of 0L's would have no idea what they're talking about on a particular subject.

TLS is useful, but there is plenty of misinformation on here. And even if people are "ill-informed" before arriving at law school, I would be willing to bet they are going to pick up all the relevant info needed to succeed within a week or two of starting 1L. For all you know they spent their time reading through the hornbooks for their first semester classes and will end up having an edge.

You made a lot of great points. But from experience, I have met a lot of people in law school who could have used TLS information have they known about it, especially when it comes time to bid. I see a lot of people with not so great grades bidding DC or Texas with no ties.

Are you talking about OCI bids? Because that's entirely different. You were talking about 0L's not being aware of a particular resource before beginning law school, not currently enrolled law students being unaware of TLS. I would be surprised if many 2L's/3L's hadn't at least heard of TLS by the end of their 1st year. There must be at least a handful of entering 1L's at any given school who will name drop TLS loudly before the end of the first week, even at Cooley.

My view is colored by my experience at a T-20. I know at least 5 law students who had never heard of TLS before law school. And by the end of their first year, having learned of TLS, they still did not use TLS as a resource to prepare for bidding. How do I know? When I try to compare which firms they had bid on, I learned they had no strategy and did not research the topic on TLS.

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OhScalia wrote:

PattyCake wrote:

OhScalia wrote:You made a lot of great points. But from experience, I have met a lot of people in law school who could have used TLS information have they known about it, especially when it comes time to bid. I see a lot of people with not so great grades bidding DC or Texas with no ties.

Are you talking about OCI bids? Because that's entirely different. You were talking about 0L's not being aware of a particular resource before beginning law school, not currently enrolled law students being unaware of TLS. I would be surprised if many 2L's/3L's hadn't at least heard of TLS by the end of their 1st year. There must be at least a handful of entering 1L's at any given school who will name drop TLS loudly before the end of the first week, even at Cooley.

My view is colored by my experience at a T-20. I know at least 5 law students who had never heard of TLS before law school. And by the end of their first year, having learned of TLS, they still did not use TLS as a resource to prepare for bidding. How do I know? When I try to compare which firms they had bid on, I learned they had no strategy and did not research the topic on TLS.

I have no idea how many people use the site to plan strategy, but people were successful long, long before TLS existed. One of my siblings (aware of TLS during law school, but who hates this site and people who use/talk about it obsessively) got through UVA and landed Big Law in NY through OCI without ever looking at TLS. There are some "strategies" which are easily matched by good old-fashioned common sense - something even TLS'ers may lack. On the other hand, my siblings and I were born into a pre-computer dependency world, so we don't rely on the internet as much as the generation following ours does - maybe we're just reaching that annoying stage of old-ness where we start yelling at kids to get off our lawns and complaining about newfangled computers.

PattyCake wrote:

OhScalia wrote:

PattyCake wrote:

OhScalia wrote:You made a lot of great points. But from experience, I have met a lot of people in law school who could have used TLS information have they known about it, especially when it comes time to bid. I see a lot of people with not so great grades bidding DC or Texas with no ties.

Are you talking about OCI bids? Because that's entirely different. You were talking about 0L's not being aware of a particular resource before beginning law school, not currently enrolled law students being unaware of TLS. I would be surprised if many 2L's/3L's hadn't at least heard of TLS by the end of their 1st year. There must be at least a handful of entering 1L's at any given school who will name drop TLS loudly before the end of the first week, even at Cooley.

My view is colored by my experience at a T-20. I know at least 5 law students who had never heard of TLS before law school. And by the end of their first year, having learned of TLS, they still did not use TLS as a resource to prepare for bidding. How do I know? When I try to compare which firms they had bid on, I learned they had no strategy and did not research the topic on TLS.

I have no idea how many people use the site to plan strategy, but people were successful long, long before TLS existed. One of my siblings (aware of TLS during law school, but who hates this site and people who use/talk about it obsessively) got through UVA and landed Big Law in NY through OCI without ever looking at TLS. There are some "strategies" which are easily matched by good old-fashioned common sense - something even TLS'ers may lack. On the other hand, my siblings and I were born into a pre-computer dependency world, so we don't rely on the internet as much as the generation following ours does - maybe we're just reaching that annoying stage of old-ness where we start yelling at kids to get off our lawns and complaining about newfangled computers.

Holy shit you're a moron

Also sounds like a boomer.