I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
COA has got to be around $250k.
I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
I was at 60k a year w/o adjustments. Sf is expensive.CO2016YEAH wrote:I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
COA has got to be around $250k.
DildaMan wrote:I was at 60k a year w/o adjustments. Sf is expensive.CO2016YEAH wrote:I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
COA has got to be around $250k.
CO2016YEAH wrote:I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
COA has got to be around $250k.
It is LARGELY a guess. I suspect that a good number of students will either be borrowing the whole shot or have a wealthy family/trust fund that can cover the bill. Then again, there may be a few with some sort of GI bill benefits, partial scholly's, etc.well.let's.see wrote:CO2016YEAH wrote:I'm guessing it's pretty bimodal, as in pretty much close to full COA or nothing. I could be wrong.well.let's.see wrote:What's the reality regarding the average debt students graduate with from Hastings?
COA has got to be around $250k.
Fair enough...but, how much of a guess, is your guess, that attending Hastings is a more or less all or nothing enterprise?
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woah, where are those numbers from?hiima3L wrote:Hastings c/o 2012 grad here.
I cannot believe anyone is considering going to Hastings given my class's employment rate, which, amazingly, was significantly worse than I even expected. Class of 2011 had an employment rate at graduation of ~50%, class of 2012 is 26%. It's unfathomable, really.
Do yourself a favor and don't go six figures into debt for a 26% shot at ANY job, and about a 9% chance at a job that could reasonably service a $100k+ debt load.
Any of you considering UCH, please feel free to PM me.
that is actually terrifying...Lasers wrote:woah, where are those numbers from?hiima3L wrote:Hastings c/o 2012 grad here.
I cannot believe anyone is considering going to Hastings given my class's employment rate, which, amazingly, was significantly worse than I even expected. Class of 2011 had an employment rate at graduation of ~50%, class of 2012 is 26%. It's unfathomable, really.
Do yourself a favor and don't go six figures into debt for a 26% shot at ANY job, and about a 9% chance at a job that could reasonably service a $100k+ debt load.
Any of you considering UCH, please feel free to PM me.
Citation needed.cbarlow1016 wrote:that is actually terrifying...Lasers wrote:woah, where are those numbers from?hiima3L wrote:Hastings c/o 2012 grad here.
I cannot believe anyone is considering going to Hastings given my class's employment rate, which, amazingly, was significantly worse than I even expected. Class of 2011 had an employment rate at graduation of ~50%, class of 2012 is 26%. It's unfathomable, really.
Do yourself a favor and don't go six figures into debt for a 26% shot at ANY job, and about a 9% chance at a job that could reasonably service a $100k+ debt load.
Any of you considering UCH, please feel free to PM me.
Newest rankings. Look at the employment data. It's atrocious. The 9% figure came from some NALP chart I saw recently and it definitely makes sense given I can only think of about a dozen friends who got big law, almost all of which were top 10-15%. I have a few close friends who graduated magna who are still unemployed.Lasers wrote:woah, where are those numbers from?hiima3L wrote:Hastings c/o 2012 grad here.
I cannot believe anyone is considering going to Hastings given my class's employment rate, which, amazingly, was significantly worse than I even expected. Class of 2011 had an employment rate at graduation of ~50%, class of 2012 is 26%. It's unfathomable, really.
Do yourself a favor and don't go six figures into debt for a 26% shot at ANY job, and about a 9% chance at a job that could reasonably service a $100k+ debt load.
Any of you considering UCH, please feel free to PM me.
[/quote]hiima3L wrote: Please don't go unless you're getting a lot of money (which won't happen at Hastings)
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where did you transfer to?lisavj wrote:Or you have money to spend and want to do this rather than a Caribbean vacay. Or you are willing to drop out year one and be a Starbucks barista to pay off the debt for three plus years losing the $$ and the time.**hiima3L wrote:Lasers wrote:
Please don't go unless you're getting a lot of money (which won't happen at Hastings)
** full disclosure, I went in with a plan to drop out if I didn't get a firm job at OCI. I also have a spouse who helped with tuition payments. It worked for me (full disclosure #2 I transferred), but in retrospect it was a dumb gamble to take.
If you're one of those lucky 9% who get big law...xiaojimu wrote:The Law Schools Whose Grads Earn The Biggest Paychecks
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It's a pretty easy decision, I think. You have reservations, so you shouldn't bother.Legal_Octopus wrote:Man... you know, it's not like I didn't know about the grimness of the job market.
I applied and was accepted early commitment, with roughly median numbers, because this was my first choice (I'm from San Francisco). I knew Hastings was ranked relatively lowly among law schools, but expected it to trend upwards. I knew the rankings were a poor reflection of educational quality in the first place.
Seeing the latest fall, and the macabre employment statistics... and realizing now I may not got much money because I applied EC... It might be worth it to just wait until next year and either apply again to get into better programs or give up this dream. Over 50k/year total to go a school in a five way tie for the very last spot in the already substandard category of "Top 50 schools" so that I can have a 50% shot at a job within a year of graduating.
I've got some serious thinking to do.
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I agree that it's an easy decisions. Unless or some reason they offer you a full ride, do not go.Legal_Octopus wrote:Man... you know, it's not like I didn't know about the grimness of the job market.
I applied and was accepted early commitment, with roughly median numbers, because this was my first choice (I'm from San Francisco). I knew Hastings was ranked relatively lowly among law schools, but expected it to trend upwards. I knew the rankings were a poor reflection of educational quality in the first place.
Seeing the latest fall, and the macabre employment statistics... and realizing now I may not got much money because I applied EC... It might be worth it to just wait until next year and either apply again to get into better programs or give up this dream. Over 50k/year total to go a school in a five way tie for the very last spot in the already substandard category of "Top 50 schools" so that I can have a 50% shot at a job within a year of graduating.
I've got some serious thinking to do.
This ^ is a good point. I recall seeing a very positive article about UC Hastings and its dean on ABL late last year for making what were seen as positive, eminently sensible changes. They did in fact look like great ideas -- I guess other schools made similar changes, even more so? (assuming any of these changes would register relatively quickly in USNWR ranking, which I have no idea about)FlyingNorth wrote:It is a little concerning that they dropped 4 spots in the rankings since last year. Especially since one of the school's targeted goals for the future was to work with US News to improve their national standing among law schools
You are way more articulate sober.sfhaze wrote:This ^ is a good point. I recall seeing a very positive article about UC Hastings and its dean on ABL late last year for making what were seen as positive, eminently sensible changes. They did in fact look like great ideas -- I guess other schools made similar changes, even more so? (assuming any of these changes would register relatively quickly in USNWR ranking, which I have no idea about)FlyingNorth wrote:It is a little concerning that they dropped 4 spots in the rankings since last year. Especially since one of the school's targeted goals for the future was to work with US News to improve their national standing among law schools
The recent decrease in class size was like 20%? It really should be more like 50%, at least, or have a major decrease in tuition, but that won't happen anywhere these days. I just don't see how Hastings could stay (or I should say return to being) near competitive having so much more students compared to Berkeley, Stanford, Davis, (dare I say Irvine?), yet costing basically the same.
Although this might very well be a moot exercise, those of you still interested in Hastings might consider bringing such questions, and also what more specific improvements are planned, to the admin or profs or admissions dean, or whoever seems appropriate. You might learn something from their response, even if what you learn is unsatisfactory, which itself would be something. Or, what the hell, you might even want to try concisely contacting (employed) alums to ask for their thoughts, e.g., maybe those working at law firms, etc. Again, this might very well lead to nothing, but at least you'll feel to have made a more informed decision. And most alums will have opinions on this, since nearly all attended Hastings when it was far higher ranked (and keep in mind much less expensive too, but that's true for all schools).
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As much as I like Dean Wu as a person and think he is genuinely trying to help the students (or is just an incredibly good politician, which is entirely possible), I think it's institutionally impossible to make drastic changes that are necessary. Simply put, the curriculum and the corresponding class size needs to be slashed. It's not going to happen, however, so the school seems pretty doomed until then.sfhaze wrote:This ^ is a good point. I recall seeing a very positive article about UC Hastings and its dean on ABL late last year for making what were seen as positive, eminently sensible changes. They did in fact look like great ideas -- I guess other schools made similar changes, even more so? (assuming any of these changes would register relatively quickly in USNWR ranking, which I have no idea about)FlyingNorth wrote:It is a little concerning that they dropped 4 spots in the rankings since last year. Especially since one of the school's targeted goals for the future was to work with US News to improve their national standing among law schools
The recent decrease in class size was like 20%? It really should be more like 50%, at least, or have a major decrease in tuition, but that won't happen anywhere these days. I just don't see how Hastings could stay (or I should say return to being) near competitive having so much more students compared to Berkeley, Stanford, Davis, (dare I say Irvine?), yet costing basically the same.
Although this might very well be a moot exercise, those of you still interested in Hastings might consider bringing such questions, and also what more specific improvements are planned, to the admin or profs or admissions dean, or whoever seems appropriate. You might learn something from their response, even if what you learn is unsatisfactory, which itself would be something. Or, what the hell, you might even want to try concisely contacting (employed) alums to ask for their thoughts, e.g., maybe those working at law firms, etc. Again, this might very well lead to nothing, but at least you'll feel to have made a more informed decision. And most alums will have opinions on this, since nearly all attended Hastings when it was far higher ranked (and keep in mind much less expensive too, but that's true for all schools).
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