Re: Indiana-Bloomington Class of 2016
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:35 pm
I'm not sure why either of you hate it so much. Please elaborate lah.
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I'm a current student, but I'm one of the ones who was not asked to participate in Spring Law Day. I hate everything about Maurer Law and wish I had never gone to law school at all. I probably sound like a bitter law student. That's because I am one. Maybe you should come back on another day and talk to me or one of the many other law students who you did not get to meet today.NIUmelk wrote:I'm not sure why either of you hate it so much. Please elaborate lah.
Yeah I feel the same way. I met a lot of cool prospective students and had fun going out, but I feel like the professors and alumni were out of touch with the current challenges of the legal market. And all of the alumni they brought in were in biglaw, which I don't want to do, so there was no one I was interested in talking to. Also, I think it was one of the least diverse law schools I have ever visited, both in terms of racial and ethnic diversity and in terms of diversity of life experiences. At least for me, I like to be surrounded by people from different backgrounds because I think that's a crucially important aspect of getting an education. In addition, at the Women's Law Caucus breakfast, the professor I was sitting with was totally bashing other law schools. She said that professors at Maurer truly care about their students, whereas professors at Chicago and Michigan (actually named these schools) couldn't care less. This completely turned me off. You shouldn't need to bash other schools to promote your school, and if you do, I feel like there is a problem.Xs20 wrote:I wasn't that impressed, but to be fair, I went into it with my mind more or less set on another school, so I may not have had the best mindset. I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon; all of the other prospective students I met there were really cool and I had a great time hitting some of the bars with everyone the night before. But with that said, IU of course chose the most successful students who landed the best jobs as the "fellows", as most schools probably do. But several students touted IU as a "powerhouse" in Chicago biglaw, and said things like, "when firms with IU alums get your resume, they automatically move it to the top of the stack," and ridiculous things like that. The CSO director gave us the "inside scoop" on their new ABA data and said they their placement is 84% according to the new method of reporting (still super artificially inflated). The alumni they brought in to speak to us all graduated 10-30 years ago (mostly partners in biglaw, of course) and so they couldn't relate much to the challenges of finding a legal job that current grads are facing since they graduated when the market was booming. Also the law building itself and its facilities were decent but nothing special, for whatever that's worth. Compared to IU's peer schools I've visited, I'd say it's below average in that category and could use some renovation, but of course that shouldn't make or break your decision one way or the other. Anyway, I'm not trying to totally trash IU; it can be a good decision for certain people at a certain price, but I'll agree with what others have said in saying that I wouldn't go there without a large (nearly full) scholarship.
Really? It's not even that they wouldn't increase my offer, but what director of admissions says that to a prospective student? That kind of set the tone for them not caring whether I attend or not, so I find it hard to care whether I do, as well.Dear Xs20,
The Committee is not able to increase your scholarship award at this time. I hope that you will be able to join the incoming Class of 2016, but given your other offers, I can understand should you decide otherwise.
So they trash talk other schools to promote themselves and then are entirely dismissive of students' financial concerns? Great strategy. I'm sure they're likely to attract a ton of qualified applicants.Xs20 wrote:Yeah a couple students asked where else I'm considering and I told them WUSTL, and they all started trash talking it saying I'd be miserable there and that IU's campus is nicer, etc. In comparison, WUSTL students gave a more constructive answer about why they chose to go there over peer schools, and all of them even showed a lot of respect for SLU, which was nice to see. Anyway, I know the few students I talked to were a small representation of the larger class, but these were the students chosen by IUB to represent the school.
Also, after sending them my competing scholarship offers (higher offers from higher-ranked schools) and explaining that I'm interested in IUB if not for the higher cost relative to its peer schools, the director of admissions sent me this offhanded, two sentence email in response:Really? It's not even that they wouldn't increase my offer, but what director of admissions says that to a prospective student? That kind of set the tone for them not caring whether I attend or not, so I find it hard to care whether I do, as well.Dear Xs20,
The Committee is not able to increase your scholarship award at this time. I hope that you will be able to join the incoming Class of 2016, but given your other offers, I can understand should you decide otherwise.
YES. THIS. I was in a sorority for a year and hated it and it was totally like Greek recruitment. So much frattiness all around.wannabelawstudent wrote:Yeah that's a shitty way to go about it. But probably a good way to get a lot of idiots. I personally liked OUs strategy of recruiting applicants. IUB pretty much told me they wouldn't match offers but would "let me know if they had more money to give in the future." From what I hear, I'm kinda glad I didn't go to preview day now.
Kinda sounds like Greek recruitment here (which I'm sure is big there too)
This doesn't surprise me at all. The Women's Law breakfast is all for show too. They are just trying to get more female law students because their numbers have been way down. I'm guessing they just had a bunch of female law professors and members of the feminist student organizations tell you about how great IU is. The truth is, most of the professors don't care at all about students. I've had professors who run out of class as soon as it is over to avoid talking to students, professors who can't even find the time to hold office hours, professors who stared at me like I was a freak when I reached out for help, and professors who have gone as far as to bully and humiliate students in class. Professors, along with the rest of administration, don't care about anything except making money.cbarlow1016 wrote:Yeah I feel the same way. I met a lot of cool prospective students and had fun going out, but I feel like the professors and alumni were out of touch with the current challenges of the legal market. And all of the alumni they brought in were in biglaw, which I don't want to do, so there was no one I was interested in talking to. Also, I think it was one of the least diverse law schools I have ever visited, both in terms of racial and ethnic diversity and in terms of diversity of life experiences. At least for me, I like to be surrounded by people from different backgrounds because I think that's a crucially important aspect of getting an education. In addition, at the Women's Law Caucus breakfast, the professor I was sitting with was totally bashing other law schools. She said that professors at Maurer truly care about their students, whereas professors at Chicago and Michigan (actually named these schools) couldn't care less. This completely turned me off. You shouldn't need to bash other schools to promote your school, and if you do, I feel like there is a problem.Xs20 wrote:I wasn't that impressed, but to be fair, I went into it with my mind more or less set on another school, so I may not have had the best mindset. I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon; all of the other prospective students I met there were really cool and I had a great time hitting some of the bars with everyone the night before. But with that said, IU of course chose the most successful students who landed the best jobs as the "fellows", as most schools probably do. But several students touted IU as a "powerhouse" in Chicago biglaw, and said things like, "when firms with IU alums get your resume, they automatically move it to the top of the stack," and ridiculous things like that. The CSO director gave us the "inside scoop" on their new ABA data and said they their placement is 84% according to the new method of reporting (still super artificially inflated). The alumni they brought in to speak to us all graduated 10-30 years ago (mostly partners in biglaw, of course) and so they couldn't relate much to the challenges of finding a legal job that current grads are facing since they graduated when the market was booming. Also the law building itself and its facilities were decent but nothing special, for whatever that's worth. Compared to IU's peer schools I've visited, I'd say it's below average in that category and could use some renovation, but of course that shouldn't make or break your decision one way or the other. Anyway, I'm not trying to totally trash IU; it can be a good decision for certain people at a certain price, but I'll agree with what others have said in saying that I wouldn't go there without a large (nearly full) scholarship.
Wow you are bitter. 50% of the 1L class this year was women. And I have had the complete opposite experience with my professors. In my experience professors have been very helpful, and I've never seen anyone bullied or humiliated in class. Yeah the job market is rough, and I agree with you that students shouldn't take out a lot of debt to come to Maurer. But I have loved my experience here so far.lah88 wrote: This doesn't surprise me at all. The Women's Law breakfast is all for show too. They are just trying to get more female law students because their numbers have been way down. I'm guessing they just had a bunch of female law professors and members of the feminist student organizations tell you about how great IU is. The truth is, most of the professors don't care at all about students. I've had professors who run out of class as soon as it is over to avoid talking to students, professors who can't even find the time to hold office hours, professors who stared at me like I was a freak when I reached out for help, and professors who have gone as far as to bully and humiliate students in class. Professors, along with the rest of administration, don't care about anything except making money.
Yes, I am bitter. And there is a reason I am bitter. I'm glad you have had an enjoyable experience so far, but there are many students who have had very negative experiences at IU. There are also many alumni who regret their decisions to attend IU or who regret going to law school at all. I remember when I was an optimistic 1L too. Let me know how you're feeling in a year or 2 when you can't get a job or you end up with a job you hate.K Rock wrote:Wow you are bitter. 50% of the 1L class this year was women. And I have had the complete opposite experience with my professors. In my experience professors have been very helpful, and I've never seen anyone bullied or humiliated in class. Yeah the job market is rough, and I agree with you that students shouldn't take out a lot of debt to come to Maurer. But I have loved my experience here so far.lah88 wrote: This doesn't surprise me at all. The Women's Law breakfast is all for show too. They are just trying to get more female law students because their numbers have been way down. I'm guessing they just had a bunch of female law professors and members of the feminist student organizations tell you about how great IU is. The truth is, most of the professors don't care at all about students. I've had professors who run out of class as soon as it is over to avoid talking to students, professors who can't even find the time to hold office hours, professors who stared at me like I was a freak when I reached out for help, and professors who have gone as far as to bully and humiliate students in class. Professors, along with the rest of administration, don't care about anything except making money.
More like a case of reality.wannabelawstudent wrote:Someone's got a case of the Mondays
You're trying to do this right now, aren't you?wannabelawstudent wrote:anyone wanna try to negotiate all these leases against each other?
I am not that person.NIUmelk wrote:You're trying to do this right now, aren't you?wannabelawstudent wrote:anyone wanna try to negotiate all these leases against each other?
Lets all start posting classified ads for random shit that we want to sellwannabelawstudent wrote:Just complete LOL at the admitted students page.
If I was looking for a summer sublet I'd post something like "Ok, I will rent one of your places, for $100 a month. That's it." Then I'd demand a deposit (to ensure that they rent me their place).