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Tech and South Texas are on par with each other in this state. Can you get a job in Houston? For sure but you'll have to work harder than you would if you were a STCL kid. A lot of the atty's in Houston either went to UH or STCL and they like to hire from their own schools.longhornmarine wrote:Can I not get a job in Houston with Tech? Is there an advantage of ST over Tech?
Considering STCL has an entering class size of about 400, and a very high attrition rate, how do they gain the extra 200-300 students/class to get to 600?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
And can you post those rankings?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
According to the data on LSN, the entering class is 689 (both part and full time). 1L attrition rate is 6.6%. If 6.6% dropout after 1L that's 670 and if another 6.6% dropout that leaves 626 for the graduating class. This data is from 2006 but unless they drastically reduced the size of their class, my numbers were accurate, if not a little generous.jgrin wrote:Considering STCL has an entering class size of about 400, and a very high attrition rate, how do they gain the extra 200-300 students/class to get to 600?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
Did you really ask someone to post the US News rankings on TLS?jgrin wrote:And can you post those rankings?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
It's common knowlege that Tech is T3 and STCL is T4.jgrin wrote:And can you post those rankings?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
http://law.baylor.edu/News/other/2009/d ... 091014.htm0 and 16 wrote:According to the data on LSN, the entering class is 689 (both part and full time). 1L attrition rate is 6.6%. If 6.6% dropout after 1L that's 670 and if another 6.6% dropout that leaves 626 for the graduating class. This data is from 2006 but unless they drastically reduced the size of their class, my numbers were accurate, if not a little generous.jgrin wrote:Considering STCL has an entering class size of about 400, and a very high attrition rate, how do they gain the extra 200-300 students/class to get to 600?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
http://southtexas.lawschoolnumbers.com/
IMO, after you get out of T1, it doesn't make much of a difference. ST is probably the better school with regard to placement because of its strong pull in Houston; so IMO I give the nod to ST over Tech because of placement options. AND ST is ranked in the top 5 for trial advocacy.0 and 16 wrote:It's common knowlege that Tech is T3 and STCL is T4.jgrin wrote:And can you post those rankings?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
official number is 444.jgrin wrote:http://law.baylor.edu/News/other/2009/d ... 091014.htm0 and 16 wrote:According to the data on LSN, the entering class is 689 (both part and full time). 1L attrition rate is 6.6%. If 6.6% dropout after 1L that's 670 and if another 6.6% dropout that leaves 626 for the graduating class. This data is from 2006 but unless they drastically reduced the size of their class, my numbers were accurate, if not a little generous.jgrin wrote:Considering STCL has an entering class size of about 400, and a very high attrition rate, how do they gain the extra 200-300 students/class to get to 600?0 and 16 wrote:Ranking would be my guess. Also, Tech has a smaller graduating class (think less than 200) while STCL is around 600. I've found myself reiterating this point on TLS but the Houston legal market can only absorb so many grads per year. For this reason, I think your class ranking at STCL is much more important coming out of law school.
http://southtexas.lawschoolnumbers.com/
Here's an article from Baylor about the decreasing sizes of law schools. They state that the entering class of 2009 at South Texas had 350 students. Additionally, Here is TLS's profile of ST that states that their entering class size was 410 in 2008.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/south-te ... f-law.html
Looks like LSN made a mistake. Also, Even if that 626 # from LSN was accurate, the number of full time students in the school is below 1000 (per LSN), so this would mean that there were about 175 2l and 3ls.
So you are dismissing US News rankings after a certain point, but you are validating their specialty rankings?jgrin wrote: IMO, after you get out of T1, it doesn't make much of a difference. ST is probably the better school with regard to placement because of its strong pull in Houston; so IMO I give the nod to ST over Tech because of placement options. AND ST is ranked in the top 5 for trial advocacy.
I would assume that is probably for FT and PT. You don't have to get upset because you were wrong about 600 grads...0 and 16 wrote:
official number is 444.
http://www.stcl.edu/admissions/student_profile.html
it's not cooley bad but you seem to have your mind up anyway, so fuck it.
Agreed. and yes, after it gets to a certain point, the ranking can be disregarded. Does it really matter if you are 344 or 347? NO. Both are very far from the top.Stringer Bell wrote:So you are dismissing US News rankings after a certain point, but you are validating their specialty rankings?jgrin wrote: IMO, after you get out of T1, it doesn't make much of a difference. ST is probably the better school with regard to placement because of its strong pull in Houston; so IMO I give the nod to ST over Tech because of placement options. AND ST is ranked in the top 5 for trial advocacy.
For the record, I don't have a dog in this. Both schools are probably pretty comparable. TT has the advantage of much cheaper tuition and COL. STCL has the advantage of being located in a major market, thus likely making networking easier. ITE you are likely going to have to network like crazy or do really academically to get a decent job from either school.
don't get upset because you got waitlisted at Techjgrin wrote: I would assume that is probably for FT and PT. You don't have to get upset because you were wrong about 600 grads...
TITCR...but i would again add that i personally would much rather have little debt at graduation so i can network for the job i want and not have to be forced into networking for biglaw so I can pay off my $100,000 in debtStringer Bell wrote: For the record, I don't have a dog in this. Both schools are probably pretty comparable. TT has the advantage of much cheaper tuition and COL. STCL has the advantage of being located in a major market, thus likely making networking easier. ITE you are likely going to have to network like crazy or do really academically to get a decent job from either school.
b.gump81 wrote:OP, if you want to end up in or around Houston, go to South Texas. It has placement in Houston biglaw and tons of employment opportunities in the surrounding areas. Now, for biglaw you would have to be top of your class at STCL, but the same would go for Tech. To me the difference just comes down to where you want to live after graduation. Yes, Tech can place in Houston (I actually have a good friend that graduated 08, was law review, and landed a biglaw employment law job in houston), but it would be a lot easier at STCL. However, if you also want to live in Dallas, like you said, or anywhere else but Houston for that matter, I would give Tech a serious look. They are going to be cheaper (I personally think the debt to income ratio should be the biggest factor ITE) and actually has just as good a reputation for litigation (not ranked yet, but look at this year's competitions....Tech has beat everyone from the state and placed several teams in national competitions).
Also in my experience, STCL is very stingy with scholarship money. I was above 75% for both gpa and lsat, and I only got 12,000 a year with a pretty steep gpa stipulation.
As a disclaimer, I got my infomation about the trial advocacy competitions from Tech law website, but it can be found in other less bias sources.
don't get upset because you got waitlisted at Techjgrin wrote: I would assume that is probably for FT and PT. You don't have to get upset because you were wrong about 600 grads...
TITCR...but i would again add that i personally would much rather have little debt at graduation so i can network for the job i want and not have to be forced into networking for biglaw so I can pay off my $100,000 in debtStringer Bell wrote: For the record, I don't have a dog in this. Both schools are probably pretty comparable. TT has the advantage of much cheaper tuition and COL. STCL has the advantage of being located in a major market, thus likely making networking easier. ITE you are likely going to have to network like crazy or do really academically to get a decent job from either school.
Actually, I'm looking forward to going to Lubbock.Thats reason for celebration. No-one wants to go to Lubbock.