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Emma1 wrote:What do you think?

well the data out there is sufficient for you to make a couple deductions. lets see how smart you are.

Emma1 wrote:What do you think?

yes if you mean 25% for both LSAT and GPA

incorrect. also not all URMs are created equal

Doritos wrote:incorrect. also not all URMs are created equal

But they're still URMs.

Probably not. Many URMs are below both 25ths so I'd guess that a good bit of at-the-25ths admits aren't receiving any sort of ethnicity boost.

edited for clarity

Emma1 wrote:What do you think?

I would think that a large majority, but not all, spots at/or below the 25th percentile go to URMs.

lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.

The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.

hint: look at aba demographic numbers for each school relative to the 25% of each class under the 25th percentiles

hint: asking what other people have found.

My guess is that it would be for URM's with some exceptions. Not sure this is true for splitters though.

the 25th percentiles at most schools are caused by splitters, not urms. schools admit median/median, high lsat/low gpa, or high gpa/low lsat for the most part.

the only candidates who have a realistic shot at 25th/25th are URM or major softs.

If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.

Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.

What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.

Dwaterman86 wrote:

Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.

What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.

waterman are you certainly going to be a golden gopher next year or was that just a running joke that i somehow missed?

talibkweli wrote:

Dwaterman86 wrote:

Emma1 wrote:Agree unless you have a very big hook. I wouldn't think of applying at the 25% but am curious about the splitters.

What, approximately, are the numbers you have in mind.

waterman are you certainly going to be a golden gopher next year or was that just a running joke that i somehow missed?

haha, far from certain, but it's a very realistic possibility.

Don't have any particular numbers in mind and am not talking about myself. Interesting though after reading some of the posts in this forum especially when you are dealing with some of the higher numbers at the 25%.

LSATfromNC wrote:

Borhas wrote:

lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.

The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.

I pulled one school last year (out of maybe 6?) where I was one point below the 25th LSAT and below median GPA.

Was it a state school in the same state you had residency in? Some of those do have quotas for in-state applicants.

Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

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Doritos wrote:

Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.

I think you misread my post.

Doritos wrote:

Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.

i think he was talking about non-urms.

and to be fair, you applied early decision to a school that is seriously going out of its way to get urms. i'm not sure that one can draw too many conclusions from your results.

typically, successful urms have solid gpas.

talibkweli wrote:

Doritos wrote:

Dwaterman86 wrote:If you're a non-urm and you're below both medians you probably shouldn't even bother with the application.

I got into UVA below both their 25%. I am a URM. I know other URMs who have done the same. Some may even be reading this.


To Shadow: What I mean by that is that an African American (or as I like to call them black) male has a bigger URM boost than a AA female, or a mexican male, or whatever. So it matters the type of URM in assessing one's chances.

i think he was talking about non-urms.

and to be fair, you applied early decision to a school that is seriously going out of its way to get urms. i'm not sure that one can draw too many conclusions from your results.

typically, successful urms have solid gpas.

I was just reading a thread yesterday about a guy (AA male) who got into WUSTL with a sub 3.0 GPA and a sub 160 LSAT. I got into Boston U Regular Decision a week and a half after going complete (below both medians) . Also got a full ride from Bama (below both medians). Baylor gave me half scholly (my GPA below their median my LSAT right around it). I'm not anything special but the AA male boost is a healthy one to be sure.

Also, I sure did misread that post. Sorry about that

Emma1 wrote:Don't have any particular numbers in mind and am not talking about myself. Interesting though after reading some of the posts in this forum especially when you are dealing with some of the higher numbers at the 25%.

emma, you should check out lawschoolnumbers.com to get a sense of the tradeoff in play. a particular splitter to keep in mind is midlish gpa 3.2-3.7 and 170+ LSAT. there are many top schools that will whore out for the 170+ even if the GPA is so-so. these folks are normal splitters.

the other type of splitter is "reverse splitter". typical stats might be 3.95/165 or something like that. they have a shot at the top schools as well, but less of a shot than the high LSAT (because high LSAT is more rare than high GPA). in particular they can sometimes get berkeley who favors high GPA.

AffirmativeOffense wrote:

LSATfromNC wrote:

Borhas wrote:

lawduder wrote:Probably not as many URM admits are below both 25ths.

The only people who are accepted under both 25%'s are URMs except for maybe one or two nontraditional ex-soldiers out of a hundred. That's my recollection of wading through LSN graphs in the past.

I pulled one school last year (out of maybe 6?) where I was one point below the 25th LSAT and below median GPA.

Was it a state school in the same state you had residency in? Some of those do have quotas for in-state applicants.

No, it was a private school. Of the approx other six, I was waitlisted at a majority of them. I ended up getting into most off the waitlist, but that was probably due to my retake.