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[Kretzy]

US Senators

w/ Yale JD:
Michael Bennet (Colorado)
Arlen Specter (Penn)

You missed at least one: Joe Lieberman (Yale, '67)

Lieberman doesn't count. The only list he belongs on is "Senate's Wiliest Jowls."

[driveshaft]

for fun...who wants to do house of representatives...


US Senators

w/ Yale JD:
Michael Bennet (Colorado)
Arlen Specter (Penn)
Joseph Lieberman (Conn)

w/ Harvard JD:
Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Paul Kirk (Mass)
Carl Levin (Mich)
Chuck Schumer (NY)
Jack Reed (RI)
Mark Warner (Virginia)
Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)
Russ Feingold (Wisc)

My thoughts exactly.

Yeah, I guess it gives you better odds in Democratic politics. Republicans are probably better off attending the best school in their state so they don't strike people as elitists?

[02082010]

Stanford's place in HYS is akin to NYU's place in CCN.

+1.

What do you mean by this?

Both TTTs of their respective tiers.

[Lmao Zedong]

I'm checking in pretty late here. I've had a very bad semester and I only just applied to Harvard (and other schools) the other day. I have a 179 and LSAC 3.77 from a mediocre school. I normally post on the Something Awful law thread as MoFauxHawk. Here is my LSN: http://lawschoolnumbers.com/CoaltoNewCastle . I expect to hear from them in late January. Good luck, everybody.

Haha nice username. Welcome! Gargamel and I can always use another numbers sibling to share in our bemusement and misery. (Although obviously I wish you better luck, lol.)

Yea, I imagine a 179 and 3.75+ GPA would make me quite miserable...

(Not trying to be bitter or anything, just struck me as humorous )

It's more the combination of 179(+), 3.75+, early JR1, and no JR2. I'm going to call it the USS: Wait, is my GPA really that low?

all aboard!

[Lmao Zedong]

Stanford's place in HYS is akin to NYU's place in CCN.

+1.

What do you mean by this?

Both TTTs of their respective tiers.

LOL. in before things get violent

[Dignan]

Stanford's place in HYS is akin to NYU's place in CCN.

+1.

What do you mean by this?

Both TTTs of their respective tiers.

That's pretty silly. Just one year ago, Harvard and Stanford were tied for 2nd in USNWR. If Stanford ever decides to bump up its LSAT median a point or two (and Stanford might be doing that this year), then Harvard drops to 3rd.

Look, they're all great schools. But the differences among the three (and particularly the difference between Harvard and Stanford) is vanishingly small.

[02082010]

That's pretty silly. Just one year ago, Harvard and Stanford were tied for 2nd in USNWR. If Stanford ever decides to bump up its LSAT median a point or two (and Stanford might be doing that this year), then Harvard drops to 3rd.

Look, they're all great schools. But the differences among the three (and particularly the difference between Harvard and Stanford) is vanishingly small.

The TTT designation doesn't merely have to do with USNWR ranking. Obviously, because NYU is ranked higher than Chicago. HY grads have more options than SLS grad. CC grads have more options than NYU grads. SLS is more similar to CC and NYU more similar to MVPB.

[rowlf]

US Senators

w/ Yale JD:
Michael Bennet (Colorado)
Arlen Specter (Penn)

You missed at least one: Joe Lieberman (Yale, '67)

+1, noticed that right away.

Also, Harvard has three times the enrollment as Yale. If three senators went to Yale, and eight senators went to Harvard, that's actually proportionally higher representation for YLS in the senate. It's unclear how accurate that list is, though.

Anyway, I think they are the same for politics, and in a class by themselves at that. Obviously, you can also get a good start going to the top school in a region and going into politics in that region.

[02082010]

US Senators

w/ Yale JD:
Michael Bennet (Colorado)
Arlen Specter (Penn)

You missed at least one: Joe Lieberman (Yale, '67)

+1, noticed that right away.

Also, Harvard has three times the enrollment as Yale. If three senators went to Yale, and eight senators went to Harvard, that's actually proportionally higher representation for YLS in the senate. It's unclear how accurate that list is, though.

Anyway, I think they are the same for politics, and in a class by themselves at that. Obviously, you can also get a good start going to the top school in a region and going into politics in that region.

Do most people in Chicago/Illinois know that UChicago is the best university in the state? I wouldn't think so, but could be wrong.

[Dignan]

That's pretty silly. Just one year ago, Harvard and Stanford were tied for 2nd in USNWR. If Stanford ever decides to bump up its LSAT median a point or two (and Stanford might be doing that this year), then Harvard drops to 3rd.

Look, they're all great schools. But the differences among the three (and particularly the difference between Harvard and Stanford) is vanishingly small.

The TTT designation doesn't merely have to do with USNWR ranking. Obviously, because NYU is ranked higher than Chicago. HY grads have more options than SLS grad. CC grads have more options than NYU grads. SLS is more similar to CC and NYU more similar to MVPB.

I can tell that this discussion is unlikely to be productive, but I'll bother to say that I don't agree that that SLS is more similar to CC than it is to Harvard. Although you can make a decent argument that Yale should be considered in a class by itself, I'm not sure why you would say that Harvard, but not Stanford, gets to join Yale at the very top.

With respect to clerkships and academic placement, Harvard and Stanford are roughly similar. After that, it depends on what you want to do. If I want to land the best possible biglaw job in NYC, then I pick Harvard over Stanford. (For that matter, I probably pick Columbia over Stanford.) But if I want to do IP or environmental law on the west coast, then I pick Stanford over Harvard (and maybe even Berkeley over Harvard).

[zamd006]

With respect to clerkships and academic placement, Harvard and Stanford are roughly similar. After that, it depends on what you want to do. If I want to land the best possible biglaw job in NYC, then I pick Harvard over Stanford. (For that matter, I probably pick Columbia over Stanford.) But if I want to do IP or environmental law on the west coast, then I pick Stanford over Harvard (and maybe even Berkeley over Harvard).

I think you guys discount lay prestige as if it didn't mean anything. If I wanted to start my own private practice the name Harvard would give me a million more clients than Stanford. Any normal person would want a Harvard grad much more than even a Yale grad. It's only in legal circles that Yale seems to hold sway (And I even doubt this because in the USNWR rankings, lawyers and judges give Harvard/Yale an equal rating of 4.8 out of 5, Stanford gets 4.7). Like you said, I guess it does depend what you want to do with it.

[CardinalRules]

This frankly pointless discussion is threatening to hijack what was once an interesting thread. Selecting a law school isn't just about who's currently 1, 2, or 3 in USNWR or who scores the highest number of Senators; it's about what program best suits your interests and your career goals. In other words, it's about YOU, and nobody else.

[Dignan]

With respect to clerkships and academic placement, Harvard and Stanford are roughly similar. After that, it depends on what you want to do. If I want to land the best possible biglaw job in NYC, then I pick Harvard over Stanford. (For that matter, I probably pick Columbia over Stanford.) But if I want to do IP or environmental law on the west coast, then I pick Stanford over Harvard (and maybe even Berkeley over Harvard).

I think you guys discount lay prestige as if it didn't mean anything. If I wanted to start my own private practice the name Harvard would give me a million more clients than Stanford. Any normal person would want a Harvard grad much more than even a Yale grad. It's only in legal circles that Yale seems to hold sway (And I even doubt this because in the USNWR rankings, lawyers and judges give Harvard/Yale an equal rating of 4.8 out of 5, Stanford gets 4.7). Like you said, I guess it does depend what you want to do with it.

Well, if we're talking lay prestige, then "Princeton Law" should be ranked either first or second.

[driveshaft]

Also, Harvard has three times the enrollment as Yale. If three senators went to Yale, and eight senators went to Harvard, that's actually proportionally higher representation for YLS in the senate. It's unclear how accurate that list is, though.

Anyway, I think they are the same for politics, and in a class by themselves at that. Obviously, you can also get a good start going to the top school in a region and going into politics in that region.

Sample size is obviously a problem here. The reason I speculated that HLS is more advantageous for politics was because of connections (i.e. fundraising) and lay prestige.

[DoubleChecks]

This frankly pointless discussion is threatening to hijack what was once an interesting thread. Selecting a law school isn't just about who's currently 1, 2, or 3 in USNWR or who scores the highest number of Senators; it's about what program best suits your interests and your career goals. In other words, it's about YOU, and nobody else.

i thought it just got interesting!

[zamd006]

This frankly pointless discussion is threatening to hijack what was once an interesting thread. Selecting a law school isn't just about who's currently 1, 2, or 3 in USNWR or who scores the highest number of Senators; it's about what program best suits your interests and your career goals. In other words, it's about YOU, and nobody else.

True. I'm sorry for stoking the fire. Seriously YLS, HLS, SLS amazing schools. Pick the one that fits you the most, that's it.

[driveshaft]

This frankly pointless discussion is threatening to hijack what was once an interesting thread. Selecting a law school isn't just about who's currently 1, 2, or 3 in USNWR or who scores the highest number of Senators; it's about what program best suits your interests and your career goals. In other words, it's about YOU, and nobody else.

USNWR discussion? Fine.
But the Senator discussion began as a discussion on the very premise that among HYS it's a personal decision. We were talking about the various strengths of the three schools (which is why it'd be about YOU and nobody else). The number of Senators was a silly and minor point. We were talking about why someone might pick Harvard over its peer schools. Is that discussion really out of line for this thread?

Also, "once interesting"? You really want to hear one more question about what JR asks in the interview? Besides, it's Sunday. What admissions topic is there to discuss?

[CardinalRules]

This frankly pointless discussion is threatening to hijack what was once an interesting thread. Selecting a law school isn't just about who's currently 1, 2, or 3 in USNWR or who scores the highest number of Senators; it's about what program best suits your interests and your career goals. In other words, it's about YOU, and nobody else.

USNWR discussion? Fine.
But the Senator discussion began as a discussion on the very premise that among HYS it's a personal decision. We were talking about the various strengths of the three schools (which is why it'd be about YOU and nobody else). The number of Senators was a silly and minor point. We were talking about why someone might pick Harvard over its peer schools. Is that discussion really out of line for this thread?

Also, "once interesting"? You really want to hear one more question about what JR asks in the interview? Besides, it's Sunday. What admissions topic is there to discuss?

Apologize for my misreading of the Senator conversation.

[02082010]

All I want is a JR1.

[skip james]

All I want is a JR1.

im greedier than you.

[BreakOrDeath88]

Haha nice username. Welcome! Gargamel and I can always use another numbers sibling to share in our bemusement and misery. (Although obviously I wish you better luck, lol.)

Yea, I imagine a 179 and 3.75+ GPA would make me quite miserable...

(Not trying to be bitter or anything, just struck me as humorous )

It's more the combination of 179(+), 3.75+, early JR1, and no JR2. I'm going to call it the USS: Wait, is my GPA really that low?

all aboard!

Jesus, you guys are scaring the shit out of me. When did you guys have your JR 1's? And what are your stats (If you're comfortable revealing, of course)?

I had my JR 1 on Thursday (12/10) and am waiting for that mystical JR 2...My stat range is 176-178, 3.75-3.80.

[CardinalRules]

The issue with sky-high stats is that your expectations are also sky-high; it's proportional, so any disappointment is magnified exponentially

[driveshaft]

Jesus, you guys are scaring the shit out of me. When did you guys have your JR 1's? And what are your stats (If you're comfortable revealing, of course)?

I had my JR 1 on Thursday (12/10) and am waiting for that mystical JR 2...My stat range is 176-178, 3.75-3.80.

If you're getting a JR2, LSN pattern says it'll be tomorrow ... but maybe I shouldn't tell you that because I barely slept last Sunday. My fingers are crossed for you.

[driveshaft]

The issue with sky-high stats is that your expectations are also sky-high; it's proportional, so any disappointment is magnified exponentially

My family so doesn't understand this.

[letsgojayhawks]

Any opinions on how long till the first rejections/waitlist? I'll be sad if Harvard waits until April like it did last year.