Michigan c/o 2015 Applicants (2011-2012 cycle) Forum

[ketchup]

I wonder if I'm careening toward a January waitlist or rejection

[addy11]

I know, right? I'm fixating on all of the peccadilloes that might get me dinged, despite having >95% LSP chances: no thank you note for fee waiver? Not showing up to a prospective students conference I told them I'd go to? Writing a lackluster "Why Mich?"? A small correction I made to my application?

Oh, Michigan. How happy I'd be if you would just see fit to admit me!

Only two people on LSN have gotten in with an LSAT above 174. On the other side they have taken lots of people in the 168-169 range. It seems clear from this data that Michigan has made a conscious decision to focus on admitting people in the 168-174 range. Presumably these are the people who have matriculated in the past and they can better predict (protect?) their yield with appllicants in that LSAT range.

It also seems clear from the previous paragraph that I am searching for reasons why I have yet to be accepted

I like you

[ScrabbleChamp]

I know, right? I'm fixating on all of the peccadilloes that might get me dinged, despite having >95% LSP chances: no thank you note for fee waiver? Not showing up to a prospective students conference I told them I'd go to? Writing a lackluster "Why Mich?"? A small correction I made to my application?

Oh, Michigan. How happy I'd be if you would just see fit to admit me!

Only two people on LSN have gotten in with an LSAT above 174. On the other side they have taken lots of people in the 168-169 range. It seems clear from this data that Michigan has made a conscious decision to focus on admitting people in the 168-174 range. Presumably these are the people who have matriculated in the past and they can better predict (protect?) their yield with appllicants in that LSAT range.

It also seems clear from the previous paragraph that I am searching for reasons why I have yet to be accepted

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

[Campagnolo]

I am dying.

[Tiago Splitter]

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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[hyakku]

I am dying.

Fucking this. I feel like I'm wandering in Joshua Tree without water or hope of rain in sight. Honestly though, I know once we get this status checker it's just going to start again.

[addy11]

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)

[Yeshia90]

Sorry, guys. Won't be joining you next year.

[Tiago Splitter]

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)

In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"

[UnamSanctam]

Sorry, guys. Won't be joining you next year.

So sad. But happy for you at NYU.

[clarion]

In via ASW today!!! It's my first acceptance of the cycle and I'm very pumped its from Michigan!!!!

Submitted 10/21
Complete 11/10

Stats? ED?

RD
166/ 3.8
Urm

Congratulationss!!

[thelaststraw05]

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)

In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"

Go back and look at the graphs for the last few years.

2011 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1011/
2010 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0910/
2009 - http://michigan.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/0809/

The only trend that is clear is that Michigan is willing to accept, waitlist, or reject anyone with 166-167 and up.

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game. Michigan isn't just a numbers game. Does it mean that some worthy applicants with high numbers don't get in? Yes. It also means that worthy applicants that other schools reject out of hand do get in.

On each of those graphs there are applicants with a 178, 179, or 180 who get in. If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

[Tiago Splitter]

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.

I don't.

If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

[TMC116]

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C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.[/quote]

...are you serious? Oh God help us if they stoop to 97th percentile and an A average.

[03121202698008]

I'm not on LSN, but I was admitted with a 177.

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Yeah, but he's military, right? They love military people (come on... Let's keep this rationalization going!)

In all seriousness, they are admitting people who they think will go to Michigan. Anyone with the GI bill will have public schools at the top of the list, so yes, Michigan loves people from the military. I can not argue with the LSN graph. It looks like a Vince Lombardi-designed play:

"We're gonna make a seam here at 168, and a seam here at 174, and go...right...through...here"

What? Military people have many options that are a full-ride. Michigan likes them for the same reason employers do...maturity, life experience, etc.

[ScrabbleChamp]

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.

I don't.

If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.

[ScrabbleChamp]

What? Military people have many options that are a full-ride. Michigan likes them for the same reason employers do...maturity, life experience, etc.

Don't forget... we look good in uniform, too.

[Tiago Splitter]

...are you serious? Oh God help us if they stoop to 97th percentile and an A average.

Try again.

[crumpetsandtea]

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.

I don't.

If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

NGL, TS, this post comes off really douchetastic. It's great that you want a school that is obsessed with numbers and doesn't give a shit about the people behind the numbers, but there's no need to malign Michigan's medians or insinuate that their student body isn't benefited by a more holistic approach in the way that you have. It just seems rude.

[JoeMo]

I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?

[Tiago Splitter]

I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.

Again, let's get serious. Students at every school say this.

[thelaststraw05]

Everyone says that they want a school that actually looks at the whole picture, a school that isn't just a numbers game.

I don't.

Fair, not everyone. There are plenty of people who complain about it not being a holistic process. Clearly Michigan is.

If you end up deciding to attend Michigan, reflect for a moment when you get towards finals time on whether you think the holistic application process made a difference. Your answer will probably be yes.

C'mon. I really doubt the "holistic" process that brought Michigan's medians all the way down to 3.73/169 really make a big difference in the experience.

There are very few of my classmates who are not well rounded individuals. It is particularly apparent during finals. People are still helping each other out. People are still not hiding textbooks. I have not noticed any real signs that people are trying to hurt others scores to help their own.

I can't really speak to whether that comes down to the admissions process, but it just seems like a great group of folks here.

[freestallion]

I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?

I think that is legitimate, because an AA male might get a 10 point boost = 169 and 3.74 which definitely can get into Mich and Berk

[crumpetsandtea]

I think they were alluding to the fact that Michigan appears to make a concerted effort to admit a class that will get along together (see: Michigan collegiality). Some schools have cut-throat atmospheres where students will not help each other, or at least not the extent that Michigan students may.

Again, let's get serious. Students at every school say this.

What's your point, Tiago? What are you looking for people to agree with you over? That Michigan isn't holistic? That their holistic (or not holistic) process is bad? That they haven't accepted you because they have some vendetta against people with over a 174 LSAT? I don't understand where you're going with this. What's so wrong about allowing students to think that their school has done a good job of finding well-rounded candidates?

[Nelson]

I'm not trying to flame this guy so please don't.

But http://lawschoolnumbers.com/champion11/jd

Is that what a normal URM cycle looks like?

Is there something we're missing?

Yes. He's an AA male with self reported "strong softs" so probably good PS and story. Nothing unusual there.