Is Kirkland pushing back incoming associate start dates? Forum

[Anonymous User]

For people who keep pointing out that Kirkland “killed it” last year v other firms, isn’t part of it because it has like a 9/30 fiscal year end so it leaves out the three most atrociously slow months of last year and includes 3 busy 2021 months?

I'm not really understanding this - the fiscal year is always the same every year so we're not gaming the months we include or anything of that sort for rankings or any other purpose.

Not saying that Kirkland is gaming anything. But comparing the economy from 10/1/2021-9/30/2022 is very different than comparing it from 1/1/2022-12/31/2022 given that deal work went to shit at the end of 2022. I’m just saying the Kirkland numbers look a lot rosier because it has a different fiscal year.

OK I see your point. Yes it could hurt the numbers but I don't think it would pull them down all that much. And I don't think we're the only ones with the off fiscal year - the other firm I was at had something similar.

The fiscal year ends on 1/31, guys. 9/30 is the review year. Sounds like some (all?) of the SPs here are associates at best. Even NSPs know when the fiscal year ends.

[Anonymous User]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

[Anonymous User]

Forgetting small but critical details just makes the poster seem more credible as an SP. Remembering small critical details is what associates are for.

[Anonymous User]

Per firm management: 9/18 start date!

[Anonymous User]

Per firm management: 9/18 start date!

Can we shut this down now that all the insanity has been proven as just that? Leave it to this site to cause utter fear and chaos in the lives of incoming associates for no reason. I still stand by my prior message that if this actually had you thinking about going elsewhere, you should.

[Anonymous User]

This isn't late compared to normal firms but Costco usually starts in August so it's definitely a delay and the reason it wasn't posted until now I'd because they changed it

[Anonymous User]

Per firm management: 9/18 start date!

Can we shut this down now that all the insanity has been proven as just that? Leave it to this site to cause utter fear and chaos in the lives of incoming associates for no reason. I still stand by my prior message that if this actually had you thinking about going elsewhere, you should.

There was like one person that posted about going elsewhere over this. No need to reiterate your message as it was not a common sentiment.

I do find it funny that the thread has suddenly died. Where is everyone that was *so sure* that Kirkland would delay? "There's no way they're starting all of the 500+ incoming summers at the same time given the market!" I don't mind speculation but some of y'all were clouded by your hatred for Kirkland in making this assessment. (Posting anon because I'll be headed to Kirkland).

[Anonymous User]

Anecdotally, it seems business was soft at the start of the year but has picked up lately. So people's fears may have had warrant, but did not play out.

[PaperView]

This isn't late compared to normal firms but Costco usually starts in August so it's definitely a delay and the reason it wasn't posted until now I'd because they changed it

Even Costco's August start date is late. Walmart starts its associates in July.

It's possible Kirkland saw this thread as a growing PR issue and responded with a September start date. Let's see if they stay the course without laying off existing associates in the meantime.

[Anonymous User]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

To all the people in here going on about the doom of Kirkland and how horrible they are for delaying and how incoming associates should look for other jobs, etc:

Fuck you. Fuck you and your bullshit. You caused all these poor 3Ls a ton of stress this whole time based on literally zero information. Now that it has proven to be baseless, and everything is completely fine and normal, will you come back to broadcast that nobody should worry? Or are you crawling back into your little anon hole to wait for the next opportunity to throw shit at Kirkland with no reason, even if it harms students/associates?

You are miserable little cunts who stir up shit because you’re unhappy about yourselves and your own jobs. Stop projecting that onto everyone else.

Note: not referring to OP who just raised a question without pretending any of it was fact (or the people similarly discussing as a pure hypothetical).

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

To all the people in here going on about the doom of Kirkland and how horrible they are for delaying and how incoming associates should look for other jobs, etc:

Fuck you. Fuck you and your bullshit. You caused all these poor 3Ls a ton of stress this whole time based on literally zero information. Now that it has proven to be baseless, and everything is completely fine and normal, will you come back to broadcast that nobody should worry? Or are you crawling back into your little anon hole to wait for the next opportunity to throw shit at Kirkland with no reason, even if it harms students/associates?

You are miserable little cunts who stir up shit because you’re unhappy about yourselves and your own jobs. Stop projecting that onto everyone else.

Note: not referring to OP who just raised a question without pretending any of it was fact (or the people similarly discussing as a pure hypothetical).

Your energy here is ridiculous. I have no idea how you thought you’d redeem Kirkland’s honor while tossing around the C-word in the same breath.

[Anonymous User]

is it that serious lol

from everything I've heard about junior life there, anyone neurotic enough to get stressed out by tls gossip will get eaten alive by KE (and, fwiw, I don't even mean that as a criticism of KE)

[legalpotato]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

To all the people in here going on about the doom of Kirkland and how horrible they are for delaying and how incoming associates should look for other jobs, etc:

Fuck you. Fuck you and your bullshit. You caused all these poor 3Ls a ton of stress this whole time based on literally zero information. Now that it has proven to be baseless, and everything is completely fine and normal, will you come back to broadcast that nobody should worry? Or are you crawling back into your little anon hole to wait for the next opportunity to throw shit at Kirkland with no reason, even if it harms students/associates?

You are miserable little cunts who stir up shit because you’re unhappy about yourselves and your own jobs. Stop projecting that onto everyone else.

Note: not referring to OP who just raised a question without pretending any of it was fact (or the people similarly discussing as a pure hypothetical).

LOL

[Anonymous User]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

To all the people in here going on about the doom of Kirkland and how horrible they are for delaying and how incoming associates should look for other jobs, etc:

Fuck you. Fuck you and your bullshit. You caused all these poor 3Ls a ton of stress this whole time based on literally zero information. Now that it has proven to be baseless, and everything is completely fine and normal, will you come back to broadcast that nobody should worry? Or are you crawling back into your little anon hole to wait for the next opportunity to throw shit at Kirkland with no reason, even if it harms students/associates?

You are miserable little cunts who stir up shit because you’re unhappy about yourselves and your own jobs. Stop projecting that onto everyone else.

Note: not referring to OP who just raised a question without pretending any of it was fact (or the people similarly discussing as a pure hypothetical).

(Punches another hole in the drywall)

[Anonymous User]

The Kirkland nationalism here is so funny. Idk why you guys are so committed to eating out a firm that doesn't care about you and sees you as a means of giving partners an extra million, and then fires you on pretext the moment the economic winds start blowing slightly.

[Anonymous User]

September 18th is the start date. Official email came out just now.

To all the people in here going on about the doom of Kirkland and how horrible they are for delaying and how incoming associates should look for other jobs, etc:

Fuck you. Fuck you and your bullshit. You caused all these poor 3Ls a ton of stress this whole time based on literally zero information. Now that it has proven to be baseless, and everything is completely fine and normal, will you come back to broadcast that nobody should worry? Or are you crawling back into your little anon hole to wait for the next opportunity to throw shit at Kirkland with no reason, even if it harms students/associates?

You are miserable little cunts who stir up shit because you’re unhappy about yourselves and your own jobs. Stop projecting that onto everyone else.

Note: not referring to OP who just raised a question without pretending any of it was fact (or the people similarly discussing as a pure hypothetical).

ngmi

[bajablast]

Back on topic, Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread, please ask your illustrious peers to say something and calm the nerves of the serfs

Did a Kirkland share partner really just refer to their own associates as "serfs"? Lmao, I am sure you are an absolute joy to be around.

[bajablast]

I thought Cravath was a ticket for working harder for less money? Unless you can direct deposit prestige; maybe I missed that innovation

Last I checked, a salary was more money than no salary. So unless Cravath is doing similar layoffs, maybe there's value to (relative) job security that outweighs a 5% extra bonus.

Does Kirkland pay associates more than Cravath? If so, shook.

Kirkland pays its associates the same as every other market firm. There are a few people who are compensated above the market because they billed over 3000 hours. But the vast majority of associates are paid exactly like everyone else.

Also you misunderstood the Cravath poster, who actually makes a good point.

[nixy]

Back on topic, Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread, please ask your illustrious peers to say something and calm the nerves of the serfs

Did a Kirkland share partner really just refer to their own associates as "serfs"? Lmao, I am sure you are an absolute joy to be around.

This was a request directed at the Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread.

[bajablast]

Back on topic, Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread, please ask your illustrious peers to say something and calm the nerves of the serfs

Did a Kirkland share partner really just refer to their own associates as "serfs"? Lmao, I am sure you are an absolute joy to be around.

This was a request directed at the Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread.

Guess I'm the dumb ass then lol

[Anonymous User]

I thought Cravath was a ticket for working harder for less money? Unless you can direct deposit prestige; maybe I missed that innovation

Last I checked, a salary was more money than no salary. So unless Cravath is doing similar layoffs, maybe there's value to (relative) job security that outweighs a 5% extra bonus.

Does Kirkland pay associates more than Cravath? If so, shook.

Kirkland pays its associates the same as every other market firm. There are a few people who are compensated above the market because they billed over 3000 hours. But the vast majority of associates are paid exactly like everyone else.

Also you misunderstood the Cravath poster, who actually makes a good point.

what did they say

[Anonymous User]

you guys remember when that kirkland sp actually thought we were dumb enough to believe that the stealth layoffs weren't related to the economy and were totally pre-planned? pepperidge farm remembers

[bajablast]

I thought Cravath was a ticket for working harder for less money? Unless you can direct deposit prestige; maybe I missed that innovation

Last I checked, a salary was more money than no salary. So unless Cravath is doing similar layoffs, maybe there's value to (relative) job security that outweighs a 5% extra bonus.

Does Kirkland pay associates more than Cravath? If so, shook.

Kirkland pays its associates the same as every other market firm. There are a few people who are compensated above the market because they billed over 3000 hours. But the vast majority of associates are paid exactly like everyone else.

Also you misunderstood the Cravath poster, who actually makes a good point.

what did they say

That you're a lil cuckold for posting anon

[Anonymous User]

Back on topic, Kirkland SP from earlier in the thread, please ask your illustrious peers to say something and calm the nerves of the serfs

If the Kirkland SP believes that Kirkland's "performance reviews" resulting in multiple firings across multiple offices weren't layoffs, including first years, I'm not sure we can trust their objectivity here.

He knows they were layoffs he's just trying to gaslight us and the laid off associates. I'm sure all the SPs got like the list of talking points informally or formally of what to say.

That is Tucker Carlson-levels of conspiracy theorizing. You must think 1/6 was a peaceful demonstration

Are you insane? You think the SPs aren't coordinate and aligned 100% on a narrative and everything is just happening organically?

Here is a conspiracy theory for you: I know 100% that share partners were calling up NSPs asking them to change their review of a person that the SPs had on their list to chit can. Ask me how I know....

How do you know?