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Jones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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So you’re barely below market (including bonus).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:10 pmCorrect. I haven’t heard much about where others landed this year so don’t have much to compare to.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:06 pm5th year as in C/O 2017?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:24 pmThere used to be much more compression in the smaller markets but they moved away from that last year and now we’re supposed to be paid as much as major markets. It’s tough to compare specifically since we don’t have many updated numbers. But for context I’m a fifth year and just over 400.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:14 pmBroadly, yes. There's also less compression in top practice groups.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:43 pmThere is a lot of talk about how after the first year, salaries at Jones Day are below and sometimes significantly below market. Is there any wisdom as to whether JD compresses salaries more in smaller cities like Pittsburgh but in large markets like NY, DC, LA, and HOU, attorney salaries are closer to market?
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Yes, for the most part, especially if you start your career there.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:46 pmJones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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Also, who cares if you're an equity partner if you're making $600k? That's no better than being an nonequity partner elsewhere. The reality of partner distributions is that if you have something like a $1.2M PPP, then most of your partners are making significantly less than that. You're more likely to be like most than you are to be a rainmaker.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:12 pmYes, for the most part, especially if you start your career there.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:46 pmJones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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I think equity partnership at JD is better than non-equity partnership somewhere like K&E. Your pay is anonymous, and you don’t have to deal with the social stratification / stigma of not making shares. There’s also maybe more room for salary growth and more career stability. Obviously partnership at JD is nowhere near as valuable as shares at K&E, but that’s an unfair comparison. Plenty of people would view a steady 600k-800k+ as a desirable outcome.Sackboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:09 pmAlso, who cares if you're an equity partner if you're making $600k? That's no better than being an nonequity partner elsewhere. The reality of partner distributions is that if you have something like a $1.2M PPP, then most of your partners are making significantly less than that. You're more likely to be like most than you are to be a rainmaker.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:12 pmYes, for the most part, especially if you start your career there.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:46 pmJones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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Partner distributions are anonymous and not reported, so Am just approximates what they think JD partners make. Brogan is the only one who actually knows.Sackboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:09 pmAlso, who cares if you're an equity partner if you're making $600k? That's no better than being an nonequity partner elsewhere. The reality of partner distributions is that if you have something like a $1.2M PPP, then most of your partners are making significantly less than that. You're more likely to be like most than you are to be a rainmaker.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:12 pmYes, for the most part, especially if you start your career there.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:46 pmJones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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Never knew that this was an estimate. Interesting. If you're curious, their method appears to be ([total revenue]/[#partners])*.5 (i.e., assuming 50% profit margin, which isn't necessarily representative as the average in Amlaw100 is something like 43%).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:28 pmPartner distributions are anonymous and not reported, so Am just approximates what they think JD partners make. Brogan is the only one who actually knows.Sackboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 3:09 pmAlso, who cares if you're an equity partner if you're making $600k? That's no better than being an nonequity partner elsewhere. The reality of partner distributions is that if you have something like a $1.2M PPP, then most of your partners are making significantly less than that. You're more likely to be like most than you are to be a rainmaker.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:12 pmYes, for the most part, especially if you start your career there.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:46 pmJones Day has so many partners—does that mean it’s easy to make partner if you stick out for 10 years and bill reasonable hours?
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This doesn't make much sense. I'm pretty sure JD reports its revenue and PPP, which is just profits/number of equity partners, every year. That's not remotely the same as de-anonymizing individual partner draws. Based on JD's reported numbers, the PPP is $1.2M, which means there are a lot of folks making $500-$800k.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:28 pmPartner distributions are anonymous and not reported, so Am just approximates what they think JD partners make. Brogan is the only one who actually knows.
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I mean, there are seniors in my secondary JD office that make above 500k. I say this as non-JD apologist. But no clue what junior partners make.
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I get where you’re coming from, but the “potential” for shares is just that—potential. I would much rather be a mid-career equity partner making $600k than an NEP making slightly more, fighting for shares.
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Based on the 2022 numbers, JD's PPP is currently around $1.5M. That's slightly misleading, though, because JD has offices in many less-than-profitable cities and countries. One article making the rounds a few years back estimated JD's partner pay in major US metro areas at about $2M. Financially, that would put it about the level of an Arnold & Porter / Jenner & Block / Perkins Coie. You're still right that this leaves some folks making $600-$800k, at least early on. Personally, I view that as preferable to being non-equity somewhere with no realistic path to equity, but that's just me.Sackboy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:02 amThis doesn't make much sense. I'm pretty sure JD reports its revenue and PPP, which is just profits/number of equity partners, every year. That's not remotely the same as de-anonymizing individual partner draws. Based on JD's reported numbers, the PPP is $1.2M, which means there are a lot of folks making $500-$800k.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:28 pmPartner distributions are anonymous and not reported, so Am just approximates what they think JD partners make. Brogan is the only one who actually knows.
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Robert Huie, the new SDCA Judge, made 650k as Of Counsel in San Diego in 2021. He probably was making more than some partners, but I doubt he was making more than the median.
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For those interested, a few other data points from people who left to join the Biden administration: Ben Mizer reported total compensation of $5.4 million, and Andrew Luger reported total compensation of $4.2 million. Both veteran lawyers with significant prior government experience.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:02 pmRobert Huie, the new SDCA Judge, made 650k as Of Counsel in San Diego in 2021. He probably was making more than some partners, but I doubt he was making more than the median.
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What are third and fourth years (classes of 2019 and 2018) making in California or similar markets? $300K?
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$300k for C/O 2019 sounds about right in California.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:24 pmWhat are third and fourth years (classes of 2019 and 2018) making in California or similar markets? $300K?
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Even though WFH is discouraged at Jones Day, how often are people, on average, WFH at your office?
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Where did you hear that it’s discouraged? Never heard that. I WFH 2 days a week fwiwAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmEven though WFH is discouraged at Jones Day, how often are people, on average, WFH at your office?
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It is very much a 5+ days a week in office, at your desk, letting people know when plan to leave early or eat lunch, in Atlanta policy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:09 amWhere did you hear that it’s discouraged? Never heard that. I WFH 2 days a week fwiwAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmEven though WFH is discouraged at Jones Day, how often are people, on average, WFH at your office?
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I think it depends on the practice group. I'm in the Atlanta office and only come in 1-2 days a week at most.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:21 amIt is very much a 5+ days a week in office, at your desk, letting people know when plan to leave early or eat lunch, in Atlanta policy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:09 amWhere did you hear that it’s discouraged? Never heard that. I WFH 2 days a week fwiwAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmEven though WFH is discouraged at Jones Day, how often are people, on average, WFH at your office?
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Has anyone met/interacted with Brogan? What's he like? People talk about him like he's some sort of mythical figure
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If you don't mind, could you please share which practice group you are in? Doesn't even have to be a specific group--transactional vs lit could be helpful tooAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:21 amIt is very much a 5+ days a week in office, at your desk, letting people know when plan to leave early or eat lunch, in Atlanta policy.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:09 amWhere did you hear that it’s discouraged? Never heard that. I WFH 2 days a week fwiwAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:32 pmEven though WFH is discouraged at Jones Day, how often are people, on average, WFH at your office?
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he's like former nypd commissioner ray kelly, idk how else to put itAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:35 pmHas anyone met/interacted with Brogan? What's he like? People talk about him like he's some sort of mythical figure
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Is the clerkship bonus at JD for COA below market in major markets?
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