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NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:27 am

PW, GDC Wilmer?

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:05 pm

Wilmer

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 pm

there are ~40 Wilmer associates in the NY office across all practice groups (corporate, lit, etc). lit is ~30 of that.

not sure why you'd consider Wilmer when you're looking at Gibson and PW, which are top NY BigLaw lit practices

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:19 pm

All are defensible, I would take Wilmer if given the choice.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:21 pm

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Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 pm
there are ~40 Wilmer associates in the NY office across all practice groups (corporate, lit, etc). lit is ~30 of that.

not sure why you'd consider Wilmer when you're looking at Gibson and PW, which are top NY BigLaw lit practices
My impression is that Wilmer is more selective and less of a sweatshop/factory for junior associates.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:35 pm

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Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:21 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 pm
there are ~40 Wilmer associates in the NY office across all practice groups (corporate, lit, etc). lit is ~30 of that.

not sure why you'd consider Wilmer when you're looking at Gibson and PW, which are top NY BigLaw lit practices
My impression is that Wilmer is more selective and less of a sweatshop/factory for junior associates.
I haven't worked there so I can't speak to the hours.

in terms of selectivity, by my count one NY associate, total, clerked on a federal court of appeals (fed circuit). so I dunno where you derived that impression (maybe based on Wilmer nationally having a strong appellate practice?)

not dumping on the place, but not seeing an argument for it over PW/GDC

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:14 pm

Associates become Senior Associates very quickly at Wilmer. You'll see that MANY senior associates clerked at COA.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:23 pm

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Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:14 pm
Associates become Senior Associates very quickly at Wilmer. You'll see that MANY senior associates clerked at COA.
ah got it, separate filter on website

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:18 pm

Sorry to hijack. Is there any difference in how substantive the work they will give you is or how interesting it will be ?

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:39 pm

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Sorry to hijack. Is there any difference in how substantive the work they will give you is or how interesting it will be ?
PW and GD are big offices where they take on very document intensive cases and investigations in which junior associates spend hours reviewing documents, drafting internal emails for seniors, and the like. If you want to be able to do more sophisticated analytical things like draft briefs as a junior, then perhaps Wilmer is better. But there's no guarantee anywhere. So much of whether you get good work as a junior is blind luck.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:54 pm

All three are solid firms, but in my (limited) experience, Wilmer will probably have the least substantive work of the three--I was at a firm before (not one of these three) who used to say Wilmer associates did the work our associates could've done in high school. This was at least sort of true--on the matters we were co-counsel for, they did a lot of the grunt work on trials and investigations while we were doing the more intense and complicated stuff. PW has a fantastic reputation in trial work and a lot of really good lawyers, so definitely a respectable work if you want to do trials. Gibson is the easy choice, though, if you care about quality of work and developing fast. It takes forever to make partner but the free market system means you can work on pretty much anything you want anytime you want, so if you don't want to do discovery or whatever you...like...just don't do it. Plus their appellate practice (if you can hack it there) is the best.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:51 am

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All three are solid firms, but in my (limited) experience, Wilmer will probably have the least substantive work of the three--I was at a firm before (not one of these three) who used to say Wilmer associates did the work our associates could've done in high school. This was at least sort of true--on the matters we were co-counsel for, they did a lot of the grunt work on trials and investigations while we were doing the more intense and complicated stuff. PW has a fantastic reputation in trial work and a lot of really good lawyers, so definitely a respectable work if you want to do trials. Gibson is the easy choice, though, if you care about quality of work and developing fast. It takes forever to make partner but the free market system means you can work on pretty much anything you want anytime you want, so if you don't want to do discovery or whatever you...like...just don't do it. Plus their appellate practice (if you can hack it there) is the best.
Lol, OP please disregard this advice.

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:32 am

Would you put GD above PW?

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Re: NYC Lit Paul Weiss, Gibson or WilmerHale

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:27 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:54 pm
All three are solid firms, but in my (limited) experience, Wilmer will probably have the least substantive work of the three--I was at a firm before (not one of these three) who used to say Wilmer associates did the work our associates could've done in high school. This was at least sort of true--on the matters we were co-counsel for, they did a lot of the grunt work on trials and investigations while we were doing the more intense and complicated stuff. PW has a fantastic reputation in trial work and a lot of really good lawyers, so definitely a respectable work if you want to do trials. Gibson is the easy choice, though, if you care about quality of work and developing fast. It takes forever to make partner but the free market system means you can work on pretty much anything you want anytime you want, so if you don't want to do discovery or whatever you...like...just don't do it. Plus their appellate practice (if you can hack it there) is the best.
Lol, OP please disregard this advice.
OP, I am not so sure you should disregard this advice. Search of Chambers or even the firm Wikipedia pages basically aligns with this. Gibson is an absolute powerhouse in lit, especially appellate, and the free market system makes it so you can do pretty much whatever you want (including in any of Gibson's offices regardless of where you sit)--which is definitely not true at a firm where someone is staffing you onto cases and determining how much and what work you will do. I can get behind a lot of reasons for putting Wilmer or PW above Gibson, but they're going to have to be more specific based on what you want to do. If your only concern is quality/substance of lit work, go Gibson.

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