The Official June 2017 Study Group Forum

[34iplaw]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

[blackmamba8]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

I do all my games on computer paper when I drill so that I can erase my answers and reuse the copies. I write really small and never run out of room on the actual exams so I don't think it's too harmful. Saves me from having to print off more. I was thinking that after I do a game and watch its video that I would go through and take my time to try and fool proof it. Would that be helpful?

[Platopus]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

I do all my games on computer paper when I drill so that I can erase my answers and reuse the copies. I write really small and never run out of room on the actual exams so I don't think it's too harmful. Saves me from having to print off more. I was thinking that after I do a game and watch its video that I would go through and take my time to try and fool proof it. Would that be helpful?

I have consider doing a similar approach, especially if there are games where I really fail to make a crucial inference. However, i think with most games I'd just be spinning my wheels when my time could be put to better use. I've notice that with games that tend to lend themselves to only a couple of "possible worlds" (as 7sage puts it), I usually do fairly well and seem to make the inferences naturally anyway. To each their own I guess, though.

[aurelian]

My LG is still so booty. Fearful that I will spend too much time on LG and not have enough time to drill RC/LR and do PTs to really feel confident. Maybe considering moving back to September at this point. Ugh.

[blackmamba8]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

I do all my games on computer paper when I drill so that I can erase my answers and reuse the copies. I write really small and never run out of room on the actual exams so I don't think it's too harmful. Saves me from having to print off more. I was thinking that after I do a game and watch its video that I would go through and take my time to try and fool proof it. Would that be helpful?

I have consider doing a similar approach, especially if there are games where I really fail to make a crucial inference. However, i think with most games I'd just be spinning my wheels when my time could be put to better use. I've notice that with games that tend to lend themselves to only a couple of "possible worlds" (as 7sage puts it), I usually do fairly well and seem to make the inferences naturally anyway. To each their own I guess, though.

I might just keep track of games that give me trouble and redo those later on. It'd probably be a waste of my time to do that with all of them though, like you said. I'm worried about us getting a 'weird' game in June. If we have four relatively normal ones I think I'll be in good shape, but if we get a virus type game...

[dj9i27]

My LG is still so booty. Fearful that I will spend too much time on LG and not have enough time to drill RC/LR and do PTs to really feel confident. Maybe considering moving back to September at this point. Ugh.

come up with a regime, mine is
day 1: LG/LR
day 2: RC/LR/Redo LG
day 3: New LG/LR
repeat

this way you cover all your bases, review RC on off days if something was irking you.

[Platopus]

I might just keep track of games that give me trouble and redo those later on. It'd probably be a waste of my time to do that with all of them though, like you said. I'm worried about us getting a 'weird' game in June. If we have four relatively normal ones I think I'll be in good shape, but if we get a virus type game...

I have yet to look at the virus game because I want to keep it fresh, but some of the early games from tests 1-20 are unusual. I'll certainly be drilling those. Moreover, I've been really pushing myself to take extra time to diagram a game in a way that makes sense to me and keep an open mind when it comes to the actual set up, instead of rushing through and wasting time during questions trying to push out inferences. I think in part too, that the difficulty with virus type games is compounded by time stress. Working to become as absolutely fast as possible on standard games is where I hope to make up the time to tackle the unusual crap they are sure to throw at us in June.

[34iplaw]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

I do all my games on computer paper when I drill so that I can erase my answers and reuse the copies. I write really small and never run out of room on the actual exams so I don't think it's too harmful. Saves me from having to print off more. I was thinking that after I do a game and watch its video that I would go through and take my time to try and fool proof it. Would that be helpful?

I have consider doing a similar approach, especially if there are games where I really fail to make a crucial inference. However, i think with most games I'd just be spinning my wheels when my time could be put to better use. I've notice that with games that tend to lend themselves to only a couple of "possible worlds" (as 7sage puts it), I usually do fairly well and seem to make the inferences naturally anyway. To each their own I guess, though.

I might just keep track of games that give me trouble and redo those later on. It'd probably be a waste of my time to do that with all of them though, like you said. I'm worried about us getting a 'weird' game in June. If we have four relatively normal ones I think I'll be in good shape, but if we get a virus type game...

Yeah - I would probably do that. I forget when, but I did a marathon run through of LGs by type of the first 30 or so PTs. I marked quite a few that I felt I could do faster, but I noted any questions I missed. I think doing questions by type is immensely beneficial.

I think learning multiple approaches and trying games with methods you aren't entirely comfortable with can help... i.e. try to rule drive or try to *really* understand what is going on with the underlying logic of specific games and questions. Try to take note of every answer choice is wrong because of something like being interchangeable or logically equivalent to another answer. I think understanding what variables are impacted by the same rules and really getting what that means is hugely important... or trying to think of answers from a logical perspective. I think a good example is LSAT PT 13 Section 1 Game 4 question #22.

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[blackmamba8]

Went -0 on four basic ordering games in 18 minutes this afternoon. I'm going to go through the games in PTs 1-38 and do them timed, watch the 7sage video for each one, then do them untimed. I have 3 copies of each game and I think I'm going to save the 3rd copy for later on.

I did pretty well on games. There isn't a ton of harm in doing games on loose pages. I did a bunch timed, and I get that there is a bit of a difference. That said, I don't see a reason to burn a copy on untimed ones.

I do all my games on computer paper when I drill so that I can erase my answers and reuse the copies. I write really small and never run out of room on the actual exams so I don't think it's too harmful. Saves me from having to print off more. I was thinking that after I do a game and watch its video that I would go through and take my time to try and fool proof it. Would that be helpful?

I have consider doing a similar approach, especially if there are games where I really fail to make a crucial inference. However, i think with most games I'd just be spinning my wheels when my time could be put to better use. I've notice that with games that tend to lend themselves to only a couple of "possible worlds" (as 7sage puts it), I usually do fairly well and seem to make the inferences naturally anyway. To each their own I guess, though.

I might just keep track of games that give me trouble and redo those later on. It'd probably be a waste of my time to do that with all of them though, like you said. I'm worried about us getting a 'weird' game in June. If we have four relatively normal ones I think I'll be in good shape, but if we get a virus type game...

Yeah - I would probably do that. I forget when, but I did a marathon run through of LGs by type of the first 30 or so PTs. I marked quite a few that I felt I could do faster, but I noted any questions I missed. I think doing questions by type is immensely beneficial.

I think learning multiple approaches and trying games with methods you aren't entirely comfortable with can help... i.e. try to rule drive or try to *really* understand what is going on with the underlying logic of specific games and questions. Try to take note of every answer choice is wrong because of something like being interchangeable or logically equivalent to another answer. I think understanding what variables are impacted by the same rules and really getting what that means is hugely important... or trying to think of answers from a logical perspective. I think a good example is LSAT PT 13 Section 1 Game 4 question #22.

What do you mean by rule drive? I think learning multiple approaches would help me. I tend to get used to doing games a certain way and then when they throw something different at us I panic because my normal way isn't working.

[34iplaw]

What do you mean by rule drive? I think learning multiple approaches would help me. I tend to get used to doing games a certain way and then when they throw something different at us I panic because my normal way isn't working.

Eliminate answers because they contradict rules (either given or derived) rather than testing scenarios or writing out every solution whenever possible. I suppose you could look at it as trying to do it in your head or write as little as possible. I'm not advocating this as a way to approach the test but rather strengthen your understanding of LG... I think by constantly trying to jam out every possibility people get really tripped up by games with basically infinite possibilities (LSAT PT 13 Game 4 or the fourth game from this December.) [I say infinite somewhat loosely... those games actually didn't have that many possibilities if you looked at them abstractly... but they had tons of possibilities if you tried to place actual variables.]

Basically, try to look for abstract reasons items are wrong and right... maybe the two answers are equivalent (i.e. each use a variable constrained by exactly the same rules) or if one is true it triggers a sufficient and the necessary of that conditional is another answer choice. Also, try to notice repeat questions... LSAT LGs have a lot of questions that basically repeat the same inference or question the same logic from earlier in that same game.

[blackmamba8]

I might just keep track of games that give me trouble and redo those later on. It'd probably be a waste of my time to do that with all of them though, like you said. I'm worried about us getting a 'weird' game in June. If we have four relatively normal ones I think I'll be in good shape, but if we get a virus type game...

I have yet to look at the virus game because I want to keep it fresh, but some of the early games from tests 1-20 are unusual. I'll certainly be drilling those. Moreover, I've been really pushing myself to take extra time to diagram a game in a way that makes sense to me and keep an open mind when it comes to the actual set up, instead of rushing through and wasting time during questions trying to push out inferences. I think in part too, that the difficulty with virus type games is compounded by time stress. Working to become as absolutely fast as possible on standard games is where I hope to make up the time to tackle the unusual crap they are sure to throw at us in June.

Time stress got me in September. By the time I got to the virus game I only had like 5 minutes left and I was SOL. I try to have the first two games done after 15 minutes at the very latest to give me plenty of time for the last two. I'd like to be able to get down to 13-14 minutes for the first two if possible.

[blackmamba8]

What do you mean by rule drive? I think learning multiple approaches would help me. I tend to get used to doing games a certain way and then when they throw something different at us I panic because my normal way isn't working.

Eliminate answers because they contradict rules (either given or derived) rather than testing scenarios or writing out every solution whenever possible. I suppose you could look at it as trying to do it in your head or write as little as possible. I'm not advocating this as a way to approach the test but rather strengthen your understanding of LG... I think by constantly trying to jam out every possibility people get really tripped up by games with basically infinite possibilities (LSAT PT 13 Game 4 or the fourth game from this December.) [I say infinite somewhat loosely... those games actually didn't have that many possibilities if you looked at them abstractly... but they had tons of possibilities if you tried to place actual variables.]

Ahh okay I think I got it. So basically you try to figure out problems mentally instead of relying on writing out scenarios. I'm going to try that out in the morning. Thanks!

[PresidentIJohnson]

I don't know if it is just because of school or what, but my LSAT PT's have been horrid as of late. Discouraging, to say the least. May consider moving my test back to Sept so that I can study all summer without interruption.

[Amerision]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

[Mikey]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

[dj9i27]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

[Mikey]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

they're all making me feel like shit lol

[dj9i27]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

they're all making me feel like shit lol

every post is a reminder that instead of a 177+ I'll need a 179.

[Mikey]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

they're all making me feel like shit lol

every post is a reminder that instead of a 177+ I'll need a 179.

every 3.9+ 160+ diag is just a reminder of how much of a POS I am

[dj9i27]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

they're all making me feel like shit lol

every post is a reminder that instead of a 177+ I'll need a 179.

every 3.9+ 160+ diag is just a reminder of how much of a POS I am

don't you have like a 3.7+? don't ever physics Mikey, ever.

[Mikey]

don't you have like a 3.7+? don't ever physics Mikey, ever.

I graduate after this semester, and yeah mine is around there. bruh, I'm spazzing out over here bc I have to do a paper for anthropology, I didn't want to do any papers this semester and this biotch says we have 2

jokes on me I guess. but I will never physics, or any other hard science bc I'd get a D if lucky

[dj9i27]

don't you have like a 3.7+? don't ever physics Mikey, ever.

I graduate after this semester, and yeah mine is around there. bruh, I'm spazzing out over here bc I have to do a paper for anthropology, I didn't want to do any papers this semester and this biotch says we have 2

jokes on me I guess. but I will never physics, or any other hard science bc I'd get a D if lucky

everyone's gpa makes me feel like shit, fucks sake I need a 179 to compete with some of you guys.

[Mikey]

don't you have like a 3.7+? don't ever physics Mikey, ever.

I graduate after this semester, and yeah mine is around there. bruh, I'm spazzing out over here bc I have to do a paper for anthropology, I didn't want to do any papers this semester and this biotch says we have 2

jokes on me I guess. but I will never physics, or any other hard science bc I'd get a D if lucky

everyone's gpa makes me feel like shit, fucks sake I need a 179 to compete with some of you guys.

at least you've PT'd in the 170's before. I'm still a peasant and can only get in the 160's

[saf18hornet]

Hi guys. Started my prep a few weeks ago and I'm feeling pretty good. GPA is 3.9, LSAT diagnostic was 160. I was really shaky with LGs a few weeks ago but I'm starting to be more confident. Having some trouble with flaws in LR. Anyone else dreaming about receiving a high score on this test constantly? I just keep thinking what a high score on this test could mean for the rest of my life and I just get so excited/nervous.

What's good with all of these 3.9+'s 160 diagnostic people in the past few days?!?!?

Anyways, welcome! With that GPA, you definitely should aim for a top score and nothing less!

I'm not even going to bother applying now.

Seriously, 12 years ago when I started college, I had no idea my GPA could ever be so important. I was top 10% of my class with my 3.5. Only 2 people in my class even had above a 3.9. Heck, our Grand Marshall only had a 3.98. If only I had known.....

[dj9i27]

don't you have like a 3.7+? don't ever physics Mikey, ever.

I graduate after this semester, and yeah mine is around there. bruh, I'm spazzing out over here bc I have to do a paper for anthropology, I didn't want to do any papers this semester and this biotch says we have 2

jokes on me I guess. but I will never physics, or any other hard science bc I'd get a D if lucky

everyone's gpa makes me feel like shit, fucks sake I need a 179 to compete with some of you guys.

at least you've PT'd in the 170's before. I'm still a peasant and can only get in the 160's

yeah but someone got dillard with a 3.9/169. you're close to that pin when you land a 173 in June. I don't know if a 3.4/179 would merit the same result.