real The Official December 2016 Waiters Group - Patience is a Virtue Forum

[Hobbesy]

You guys...I have a confession...

I have been so unmotivated to study. It's terrible. I really haven't picked up anything to study since I got my score back because I know in my heart RC was a fluke.

I DID try the 7 sage method for one RC passage and got all of the questions right. I was so satisfied. Now I'm here. Unmotivated again.

Edit: I know the December test is 5 weeks away and I have about 20 new practice tests to keep my company. How to get back into the swing of things asap?

Honestly, once I got my score back I was devastated and wanted to do anything other than study for the LSAT. But 30 minutes later I went ahead and looked at what I did wrong on that test and set up a study schedule for the two weeks that followed. Just putting pen to paper and kind of like mentally going like "I have X amount of time, I need to fix X in this time and this is what I plan on doing the next two weeks" was huge and I did started the very next day and then did 2 Pts that weekend.

ALSO I know this is weird and probably a highly personal motivator, but that video of young Ted Cruz saying that he wouldn't even associate with anyone who hasn't been to an Ivy League school (maybe its Harvard I don't quite remember) always makes me super motivated for some reason. I don't even like Ted Cruz... Maybe that's what fuels my hate fire.

When my books came in that's the first thing I did so maybe there's hope* for me still. Gotta carve out time for studying, I expected to be done by now so I have all these plans I have to work around.

Also,....the Ted Cruz video is definitely a personal* motivator because it makes me want to go to every non-ivy there is if it means he'll never look in my direction. Ever.

[Greenteachurro]

You guys...I have a confession...

I have been so unmotivated to study. It's terrible. I really haven't picked up anything to study since I got my score back because I know in my heart RC was a fluke.

I DID try the 7 sage method for one RC passage and got all of the questions right. I was so satisfied. Now I'm here. Unmotivated again.

Edit: I know the December test is 5 weeks away and I have about 20 new practice tests to keep my company. How to get back into the swing of things asap?

Honestly, once I got my score back I was devastated and wanted to do anything other than study for the LSAT. But 30 minutes later I went ahead and looked at what I did wrong on that test and set up a study schedule for the two weeks that followed. Just putting pen to paper and kind of like mentally going like "I have X amount of time, I need to fix X in this time and this is what I plan on doing the next two weeks" was huge and I did started the very next day and then did 2 Pts that weekend.

ALSO I know this is weird and probably a highly personal motivator, but that video of young Ted Cruz saying that he wouldn't even associate with anyone who hasn't been to an Ivy League school (maybe its Harvard I don't quite remember) always makes me super motivated for some reason. I don't even like Ted Cruz... Maybe that's what fuels my hate fire.

When my books came in that's the first thing I did so maybe there's hope* for me still. Gotta carve out time for studying, I expected to be done by now so I have all these plans I have to work around.

Also,....the Ted Cruz video is definitely a personal* motivator because it makes me want to go to every non-ivy there is if it means he'll never look in my direction. Ever.

It's more like a " I don't want to be looked down by other snobs like him because of my deep and repressed insecurities"

[batlaw]

Will the DEC test have either:

1) 1 page LGs with no white space (like PT 62-3).
2) LR where 2 questions refer to the same stimulus

Is there anything else I should note about the differences between the different era's of PTs ?

[Mikey]

Will the DEC test have either:

1) 1 page LGs with no white space (like PT 62-3).
2) LR where 2 questions refer to the same stimulus

Is there anything else I should note about the differences between the different era's of PTs ?

Highly highly doubt the December test will have either of the two. Modern LG sections are 2 pages per game, and they haven't done 1 stimulus for 2 questions, since i think like the mid 30's?

[kindofcanuck]

Will the DEC test have either:

1) 1 page LGs with no white space (like PT 62-3).
2) LR where 2 questions refer to the same stimulus

Is there anything else I should note about the differences between the different era's of PTs ?

The answer to this is identical to both, and is twofold.

(i) Almost certainly not.
(ii) Past changes were not telegraphed in advance.

Which is to say that there is no reason to believe a change is coming to either of those, but before those changes last happened, there wasn't reason to believe that change was coming either.

In either event, it changes little. Two-pronged questions save you a tiny amount of time through not internalising a new prompt, and single-page games simply mean being slightly more efficient in use of white space.

[Greenteachurro]

Will the DEC test have either:

1) 1 page LGs with no white space (like PT 62-3).
2) LR where 2 questions refer to the same stimulus

Is there anything else I should note about the differences between the different era's of PTs ?

Modern PTs seem to have shifted focus away from LG and LR and into RC (totally subjective). But usually the LG in modern PT's is significantly easier (especially like all of the 60's pts) than some of the older PTS (IMO hardest pts are in the 20-40's era). That and the AC's have changed slightly, the newer PTs have more answers that are very close to the correct answer but are not correct than older tests. I don't think there are any other more like mechanical considerations to think about in the newer PTs however like the things you mentioned.

That and both of the things you mentioned are probably not coming back

[Instrumental]

Taking a break from studying with a west coast Cali trip with the family. Hope it doesn't tank my skills. I have a PT scheduled right when I get back.

[Mikey]

Taking a break from studying with a west coast Cali trip with the family. Hope it doesn't tank my skills. I have a PT scheduled right when I get back.

Nice! I'm sure it won't hurt you!

[dj9i27]

Will the DEC test have either:

1) 1 page LGs with no white space (like PT 62-3).
2) LR where 2 questions refer to the same stimulus

Is there anything else I should note about the differences between the different era's of PTs ?

I might actually walk out of the test is 1 turns out to be true.

[cherrygalore]

For those who took the September test and are also going to take December, do you think it will be harder or easier than September? Do you guys know if the difficulty of the tests is somewhat cyclical or just totally random? I'm just wondering if we will get another game like the Virus one or the Lacquer reading comp, both of which I found harder than any I have seen in PTs.

[dj9i27]

For those who took the September test and are also going to take December, do you think it will be harder or easier than September? Do you guys know if the difficulty of the tests is somewhat cyclical or just totally random? I'm just wondering if we will get another game like the Virus one or the Lacquer reading comp, both of which I found harder than any I have seen in PTs.

In my opinion, September was one of the hardest LSATs. a lot of factors were against me on test day which probably contributed but, it was also lower than my diagnostic so i left pretty discouraged.

[cherrygalore]

For those who took the September test and are also going to take December, do you think it will be harder or easier than September? Do you guys know if the difficulty of the tests is somewhat cyclical or just totally random? I'm just wondering if we will get another game like the Virus one or the Lacquer reading comp, both of which I found harder than any I have seen in PTs.

In my opinion, September was one of the hardest LSATs. a lot of factors were against me on test day which probably contributed but, it was also lower than my diagnostic so i left pretty discouraged.

Yeah same. I'm hoping it was an outlier and the Dec will be more like the others in the past few years.

[batlaw]

Cool - thanks Mikey, kindofcanuck and Greenteachurro for chiming in on the differences between PTs of the past and now. Let's hope they don't do anything crazy for December!

I just finished PT62 and did allow myself one piece of scratch paper for the LG section (maybe I shouldn't to really test my ability to condense info but it was just annoying me looking at the lack of space).

I finished 62 with a 170: -4 RC, -3 LR, -1 LG, -6 LR. I think I'm going to try to see if I normally follow a pattern of doing worse on the last section (as well as sometimes doing worse on first one -- I haven't looked at specifics, but I'd guess at least 2 of my RC misses were on the first passage). I'm planning to BR this weekend and work on strategy a bit.

[Greenteachurro]

For those who took the September test and are also going to take December, do you think it will be harder or easier than September? Do you guys know if the difficulty of the tests is somewhat cyclical or just totally random? I'm just wondering if we will get another game like the Virus one or the Lacquer reading comp, both of which I found harder than any I have seen in PTs.

Virus wasn't that bad, there are way harder games out there. Virus was just weird . Lacquer was probably the same level as tokens IMO, so way harder than some of the older RC's. But this test seems a lot like PT 72, which was a big middle finger to 7sage's style of LSAT taking (which is to get a perfect score on games).

But to your point, the people who got the alternate test didn't seem to have too much of an issue with the test. So there's reason to think that there's not a huge change in LSAC philosophy coming for the future tests. Unless the alternate test is going to be easier in the future.

[cherrygalore]

For those who took the September test and are also going to take December, do you think it will be harder or easier than September? Do you guys know if the difficulty of the tests is somewhat cyclical or just totally random? I'm just wondering if we will get another game like the Virus one or the Lacquer reading comp, both of which I found harder than any I have seen in PTs.

Virus wasn't that bad, there are way harder games out there. Virus was just weird . Lacquer was probably the same level as tokens IMO, so way harder than some of the older RC's. But this test seems a lot like PT 72, which was a big middle finger to 7sage's style of LSAT taking (which is to get a perfect score on games).

But to your point, the people who got the alternate test didn't seem to have too much of an issue with the test. So there's reason to think that there's not a huge change in LSAC philosophy coming for the future tests. Unless the alternate test is going to be easier in the future.

Hmm hopefully. Virus was weird and totally easy in retrospect, but I was sick during the test and just couldn't tell if I was doing it right. I got a 180 when I took PT 72, so maybe it was just because I was sick, but regardless I cancelled my score so maybe I didn't do as bad as I thought haha I'll never know!

[Mikey]

i still feel like a complete moron for hitting game 3 with 20 mins left and letting that game literally sink all of my time WITHOUT noticing. like smfh, i suck so much

[dj9i27]

i still feel like a complete moron for hitting game 3 with 20 mins left and letting that game literally sink all of my time WITHOUT noticing. like smfh, i suck so much

I feel like that happened to a lot of folks. I was like, "YEAHHH 180 town here I come!" then dumpster fire city for the rest of the test population: me

[Mikey]

i still feel like a complete moron for hitting game 3 with 20 mins left and letting that game literally sink all of my time WITHOUT noticing. like smfh, i suck so much

I feel like that happened to a lot of folks. I was like, "YEAHHH 180 town here I come!" then dumpster fire city for the rest of the test population: me

im still salty about that
and im still even more salty about reading my first question of section 1 (LR) over 3 times and still getting it wrong, and choosing an answer that legit makes no sense at all i beat myself up for it the whole waiting period, because i was analyzing that shit in my head bc i remember everything since i read it 3x hahaha

still wouldnt have made up for my TTTTTTTTTTTT score tho

[dj9i27]

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[Mikey]

i still feel like a complete moron for hitting game 3 with 20 mins left and letting that game literally sink all of my time WITHOUT noticing. like smfh, i suck so much

I feel like that happened to a lot of folks. I was like, "YEAHHH 180 town here I come!" then dumpster fire city for the rest of the test population: me

im still salty about that
and im still even more salty about reading my first question of section 1 (LR) over 3 times and still getting it wrong, and choosing an answer that legit makes no sense at all i beat myself up for it the whole waiting period, because i was analyzing that shit in my head bc i remember everything since i read it 3x hahaha

still wouldnt have made up for my TTTTTTTTTTTT score tho

Honestly, that is probably the internal thing that we can't work out which sucks. My average was 175 before test day, on top of being sick and extremely nervous it added for TTTreality score. All I could think about after both games was, "Well December here I come" made up for it in RC but the LR is what murdered me at the end of the day. Being more neutral I might have gotten 167+ and would have walked with it.

why do we suck

[dj9i27]

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[Mikey]

We don't suck, there just had to be sacrifices. We were dem

RIP in pieces

[dj9i27]

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[Mikey]

We don't suck, there just had to be sacrifices. We were dem

RIP in pieces

Pieces. LG has game pieces. September LG was hard. Lacquer is a hardens as a substance.... Triggered.

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[dj9i27]

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