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How should one go about the in/out games? I find that it is not so straight forward to tell right away if chains will work. If they do, the game is a breeze. But if you use them and they don't work, you have wasted so much time and you still have to do frames. Any ideas?

I'm not familiar with that terminology, but once the 7sage guy showed me that you can make "in" = true and "out" = false, in/out games got 100000 times easier. Instead of worrying about Boat A or Circus Tent 2, you just do conditional logic.

RZ5646 wrote:I'm not familiar with that terminology, but once the 7sage guy showed me that you can make "in" = true and "out" = false, in/out games got 100000 times easier. Instead of worrying about Boat A or Circus Tent 2, you just do conditional logic.

Chains: All/most rules connect to form a chain, and you can write down a contra chain as well.
Frames: Relying on conditional rules and the fact that there are only two groups (in and out), you can create exhaustive frames.

biggestlawman wrote:

RZ5646 wrote:I'm not familiar with that terminology, but once the 7sage guy showed me that you can make "in" = true and "out" = false, in/out games got 100000 times easier. Instead of worrying about Boat A or Circus Tent 2, you just do conditional logic.

Chains: All/most rules connect to form a chain, and you can a write down a contra chain as well.
Frames: Relying on conditional rules and the fact that there are only two groups (in and out), you can create exhaustive frames.

I think this is probably a case of "mix and match to get an ideal middle case." Some games will benefit more from frames (I take it you refer to what 7sage calls "sub-gameboards") while others will be rule-driven. You can't tell what approach is best until you actually have the game in front of you.

RZ5646 wrote:

biggestlawman wrote:

RZ5646 wrote:I'm not familiar with that terminology, but once the 7sage guy showed me that you can make "in" = true and "out" = false, in/out games got 100000 times easier. Instead of worrying about Boat A or Circus Tent 2, you just do conditional logic.

Chains: All/most rules connect to form a chain, and you can a write down a contra chain as well.
Frames: Relying on conditional rules and the fact that there are only two groups (in and out), you can create exhaustive frames.

I think this is probably a case of "mix and match to get an ideal middle case." Some games will benefit more from frames (I take it you refer to what 7sage calls "sub-gameboards") while others will be rule-driven. You can't tell what approach is best until you actually have the game in front of you.

Yes. Thanks.

biggestlawman wrote:

RZ5646 wrote:

biggestlawman wrote:

RZ5646 wrote:I'm not familiar with that terminology, but once the 7sage guy showed me that you can make "in" = true and "out" = false, in/out games got 100000 times easier. Instead of worrying about Boat A or Circus Tent 2, you just do conditional logic.

Chains: All/most rules connect to form a chain, and you can a write down a contra chain as well.
Frames: Relying on conditional rules and the fact that there are only two groups (in and out), you can create exhaustive frames.

I think this is probably a case of "mix and match to get an ideal middle case." Some games will benefit more from frames (I take it you refer to what 7sage calls "sub-gameboards") while others will be rule-driven. You can't tell what approach is best until you actually have the game in front of you.

Yes. Thanks.

But of course the important point is to combine these approaches intelligently by making hypothetical/frames/sub-gameboards with variable placements that trigger the most rules.