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guavaeater wrote: Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17.

Wtf are you in college?

If you're on a normal life schedule your score will expire before you even apply

guavaeater wrote:Hi

I took the LSAT on October 3rd (last Saturday) and I'm concerned about my score. My question is; if I keep the score, will this ruin my chances of getting into a T14 school if I get a better score after a retake? I know that many of them average your scores. Say I get 150 this time and a 170 + the next. How would a T14 look at this? Would they view a cancelled score in even worse light?

Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17. Will they take my age into account? If I explain that at 16 I was not prepared enough for the LSAT (and basically just explain my situation) would they disregard the first or cancelled score and focus on the retake?

I'd appreciate the advice.
Thank you!

Most schools don't average. Yale does, but honestly without having any sort of GPA I wouldn't be considering Yale a serious option just yet. Most others only look at your highest. If it really concerns you, you can always write an addendum.

My advice would be to wait until you're done a year or two of undergrad and then retake.

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

guavaeater wrote: Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17.

Wtf are you in college?

If you're on a normal life schedule your score will expire before you even apply

This.

Like seriously kid. 16? Go have fun. Go to Homecoming, drive your car, do whatever it is that 16 year olds do now. Don't take the LSAT.

rnoodles22 wrote:

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

guavaeater wrote: Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17.

Wtf are you in college?

If you're on a normal life schedule your score will expire before you even apply

This.

Like seriously kid. 16? Go have fun. Go to Homecoming, drive your car, do whatever it is that 16 year olds do now. Don't take the LSAT.

I am finishing my degree this year with a GPA of 3.75

I am having fun I just took the LSAT

204Wpg wrote:

guavaeater wrote:Hi

I took the LSAT on October 3rd (last Saturday) and I'm concerned about my score. My question is; if I keep the score, will this ruin my chances of getting into a T14 school if I get a better score after a retake? I know that many of them average your scores. Say I get 150 this time and a 170 + the next. How would a T14 look at this? Would they view a cancelled score in even worse light?

Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17. Will they take my age into account? If I explain that at 16 I was not prepared enough for the LSAT (and basically just explain my situation) would they disregard the first or cancelled score and focus on the retake?

I'd appreciate the advice.
Thank you!

Most schools don't average. Yale does, but honestly without having any sort of GPA I wouldn't be considering Yale a serious option just yet. Most others only look at your highest. If it really concerns you, you can always write an addendum.

My advice would be to wait until you're done a year or two of undergrad and then retake.

Thank you for this advice, I don't want to cancel and I'll look into an addendum

guavaeater wrote:

rnoodles22 wrote:

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

guavaeater wrote: Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17.

Wtf are you in college?

If you're on a normal life schedule your score will expire before you even apply

This.

Like seriously kid. 16? Go have fun. Go to Homecoming, drive your car, do whatever it is that 16 year olds do now. Don't take the LSAT.

I am finishing my degree this year with a GPA of 3.75

I am having fun I just took the LSAT

Well shit man/girl, congratulations. But seriously, I'd sit out with LS for a while. I doubt many firms would want to hire a under-21 yr. old. I can't even begin to count how many happy hours and mentor events require just that simple thing. You'd just be isolating yourself and hurting yourself more, I think. Idk, just my two cents. Let others chime in too.

Edit: grammar

Yes please do not apply to law school anytime soon

What is wrong with your parents that made you go to college at age 12 smdh

Guavaeater is going to rule over all of us by the time they are 20.

All age questions aside, how were you scoring in your practice tests? How did you feel compared to those when taking the real thing?

guavaeater wrote:Hi

I took the LSAT on October 3rd (last Saturday) and I'm concerned about my score. My question is; if I keep the score, will this ruin my chances of getting into a T14 school if I get a better score after a retake? I know that many of them average your scores. Say I get 150 this time and a 170 + the next. How would a T14 look at this? Would they view a cancelled score in even worse light?

Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17. Will they take my age into account? If I explain that at 16 I was not prepared enough for the LSAT (and basically just explain my situation) would they disregard the first or cancelled score and focus on the retake?

I'd appreciate the advice.
Thank you!

Given that you're still going to be really young when you apply (presuming you're going to apply before your score expires), which will probably be of some concern to schools, I don't think you will want to write an addendum saying you scored poorly (if that happens) because you were too young. If you do get a score you're unhappy with, and then retake and do better, and want to write an addendum to explain the difference (which isn't always necessary), it's perfectly fine to say you were underprepared the first time. But if you say you did poorly because you were too young, you're going to make schools wonder if you're too young to handle classes, too.

(Almost no schools average/care about retakes/canceled scores.)

Just let your score expire. Heck, you would have grabbed a PhD by the time the earliest batch of normal people are applying to law school. If you apply now or shortly, your advantage in age will immediately work against you.

You're graduating college at the age of 16/17? You must be a genius. Anyways, Yale is the only school that truly averages anymore, despite what any of the other admission offices might say. Read Spivey's blog on this issue.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/help-i ... r-edition/

seashell.economy wrote:Guavaeater is going to rule over all of us by the time they are 20.

I like the sound of this

Mack.Hambleton wrote:Yes please do not apply to law school anytime soon

What is wrong with your parents that made you go to college at age 12 smdh

ihenry wrote:Just let your score expire. Heck, you would have grabbed a PhD by the time the earliest batch of normal people are applying to law school. If you apply now or shortly, your advantage in age will immediately work against you.

see you next fall

A. Nony Mouse wrote:

guavaeater wrote:Hi

I took the LSAT on October 3rd (last Saturday) and I'm concerned about my score. My question is; if I keep the score, will this ruin my chances of getting into a T14 school if I get a better score after a retake? I know that many of them average your scores. Say I get 150 this time and a 170 + the next. How would a T14 look at this? Would they view a cancelled score in even worse light?

Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17. Will they take my age into account? If I explain that at 16 I was not prepared enough for the LSAT (and basically just explain my situation) would they disregard the first or cancelled score and focus on the retake?

I'd appreciate the advice.
Thank you!

Given that you're still going to be really young when you apply (presuming you're going to apply before your score expires), which will probably be of some concern to schools, I don't think you will want to write an addendum saying you scored poorly (if that happens) because you were too young. If you do get a score you're unhappy with, and then retake and do better, and want to write an addendum to explain the difference (which isn't always necessary), it's perfectly fine to say you were underprepared the first time. But if you say you did poorly because you were too young, you're going to make schools wonder if you're too young to handle classes, too.

(Almost no schools average/care about retakes/canceled scores.)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I realize law schools might be concerned about my age but I also know that I can handle the workload and I don't want them to think otherwise

cub1014 wrote:You're graduating college at the age of 16/17? You must be a genius. Anyways, Yale is the only school that truly averages anymore, despite what any of the other admission offices might say. Read Spivey's blog on this issue.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/help-i ... r-edition/

thank you!

It looks like that even if I get a low score this time around, and do significantly better in a retake, I'll still have a chance at attending a T14 school (except Yale) because they'll probably disregard the first score, yes?

guavaeater wrote:

seashell.economy wrote:Guavaeater is going to rule over all of us by the time they are 20.

I like the sound of this

Mack.Hambleton wrote:Yes please do not apply to law school anytime soon

What is wrong with your parents that made you go to college at age 12 smdh

ihenry wrote:Just let your score expire. Heck, you would have grabbed a PhD by the time the earliest batch of normal people are applying to law school. If you apply now or shortly, your advantage in age will immediately work against you.

see you next fall

A. Nony Mouse wrote:

guavaeater wrote:Hi

I took the LSAT on October 3rd (last Saturday) and I'm concerned about my score. My question is; if I keep the score, will this ruin my chances of getting into a T14 school if I get a better score after a retake? I know that many of them average your scores. Say I get 150 this time and a 170 + the next. How would a T14 look at this? Would they view a cancelled score in even worse light?

Also, I was 16 when I took the test and I plan to retake it next year when I'm 17. Will they take my age into account? If I explain that at 16 I was not prepared enough for the LSAT (and basically just explain my situation) would they disregard the first or cancelled score and focus on the retake?

I'd appreciate the advice.
Thank you!

Given that you're still going to be really young when you apply (presuming you're going to apply before your score expires), which will probably be of some concern to schools, I don't think you will want to write an addendum saying you scored poorly (if that happens) because you were too young. If you do get a score you're unhappy with, and then retake and do better, and want to write an addendum to explain the difference (which isn't always necessary), it's perfectly fine to say you were underprepared the first time. But if you say you did poorly because you were too young, you're going to make schools wonder if you're too young to handle classes, too.

(Almost no schools average/care about retakes/canceled scores.)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I realize law schools might be concerned about my age but I also know that I can handle the workload and I don't want them to think otherwise

cub1014 wrote:You're graduating college at the age of 16/17? You must be a genius. Anyways, Yale is the only school that truly averages anymore, despite what any of the other admission offices might say. Read Spivey's blog on this issue.

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/help-i ... r-edition/

thank you!

It looks like that even if I get a low score this time around, and do significantly better in a retake, I'll still have a chance at attending a T14 school (except Yale) because they'll probably disregard the first score, yes?

You are correct. I'm going to copy paste a response that Spivey sent me on TLS which helped me quite a bit:

Hey Spivey,
Would this also apply to schools like Cornell if, say, your score improved 2 points each on the second and third takes, based on the criterion they say they use for taking the highest score?


"Yep! Whatever a school says, what they actually do is only care about the high score. The possible exception is Yale, who has a faculty admissions committee and who outspends per student the competition so absurdly highly that even if their LSAT score were to plummet because they were averaging they would still be ranked #1 USNWR. Any other school who would average would lose ground to their competition, and thus they do not. They say things a bit more ambiguously than that, but that don't average!"

You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Guavaeater, you are truly an impressive individual. That said, you should listen to others on this board and, for godssake, don't go to LS yet. Travel, get a job, do a production of Hamlet in a basement, get laid, whatever, but there is no reason to rush into a demanding career. You will regret your lost youth later. I am applying to LS now, I just turned 30, and I have zero regrets about waiting until now.

cbbinnyc wrote:Travel, get a job, do a production of Hamlet in a basement, get laid, whatever, but there is no reason to rush into a demanding career. You will regret your lost youth later.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong in being willing to devote one's own late teenage years to academic work; you don't define what "youth" is for another person. The only issue is from I've read law firms favor older and more mature people, and it could cascade down to admissions to law schools who want their graduates employed.

OLitch wrote:You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Please don't write a diversity statement about being a child gunner

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

OLitch wrote:You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Please don't write a diversity statement about being a child gunner

You don't think this person has a unique life experience that allows them to have a vastly different perspective? They might not be a gunner.

Prodigy children face incredible hardships. They are often treated in the same as children with disabilities. Being highly intelligent is not as easy or as glamorous as one would imagine.

Being raised by a "tiger parent" also brings a diverse perspective to the educational environment.

Being homeschooled by an active parent can also lead to an expedited education. Imagine the diversity that a fulfilling educational experience could bring.

There are so many DS topics that this person may be able to write about.

OLitch wrote:

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

OLitch wrote:You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Please don't write a diversity statement about being a child gunner

You don't think this person has a unique life experience that allows them to have a vastly different perspective? They might not be a gunner.

Prodigy children face incredible hardships. They are often treated in the same as children with disabilities. Being highly intelligent is not as easy or as glamorous as one would imagine.

Being raised by a "tiger parent" also brings a diverse perspective to the educational environment.

Being homeschooled by an active parent can also lead to an expedited education. Imagine the diversity that a fulfilling educational experience could bring.

There are so many DS topics that this person may be able to write about.

That stuff doesn't below in a diversity statement, a personal statement sure. If you're not a URM, adcomms generally do not want to be bothered by reading another essay.

ihenry wrote:

cbbinnyc wrote:Travel, get a job, do a production of Hamlet in a basement, get laid, whatever, but there is no reason to rush into a demanding career. You will regret your lost youth later.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong in being willing to devote one's own late teenage years to academic work; you don't define what "youth" is for another person. The only issue is from I've read law firms favor older and more mature people, and it could cascade down to admissions to law schools who want their graduates employed.

I think it's misleading to call going to law school "devoting one's years to academic work" unless you go to HYS and go on to a PhD and/or a teaching job. If OP wants to get a PhD or a masters or something, that can be pretty intense too, but it's very different than law school. In any case, it's not so much the law school itself that I think is a bad idea; it's starting a legal career before turning 21. I didn't intend to "define" OP's youth, but I do think there are certain freedoms that youth allows for and (in my mind, at least) rushing into a legal career at such a young age is a dubious choice. Different strokes for different folks, sure, but I think this is pretty common advice. In any case, sorry if I came off as a know-it-all, people can do whatever they want.

OLitch wrote:

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

OLitch wrote:You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Please don't write a diversity statement about being a child gunner

You don't think this person has a unique life experience that allows them to have a vastly different perspective? They might not be a gunner.

Prodigy children face incredible hardships. They are often treated in the same as children with disabilities. Being highly intelligent is not as easy or as glamorous as one would imagine.

Being raised by a "tiger parent" also brings a diverse perspective to the educational environment.

Being homeschooled by an active parent can also lead to an expedited education. Imagine the diversity that a fulfilling educational experience could bring.

There are so many DS topics that this person may be able to write about.

wtf.

Law school is not an academic endeavor. It's a professional degree. A 17 year old going in, coming out at 20 is virtually unemployable. Can you see any firm or chambers hiring a 20 year old?

emkay625 wrote:

OLitch wrote:

Mack.Hambleton wrote:

OLitch wrote:You shouldn't have a difficult time writing your diversity statement.

Please don't write a diversity statement about being a child gunner

You don't think this person has a unique life experience that allows them to have a vastly different perspective? They might not be a gunner.

Prodigy children face incredible hardships. They are often treated in the same as children with disabilities. Being highly intelligent is not as easy or as glamorous as one would imagine.

Being raised by a "tiger parent" also brings a diverse perspective to the educational environment.

Being homeschooled by an active parent can also lead to an expedited education. Imagine the diversity that a fulfilling educational experience could bring.

There are so many DS topics that this person may be able to write about.

wtf.

It is true. A prodigy child in a public school is often put in special education classes. What other resources are available? I'm not talking about the piano or geography prodigy. I am speaking of a highly gifted child. Unless you have a highly gifted child or know someone who does, it is hard to understand.

One of my closest friends married a prodigy. when they had a child, the husband was devastated when his three year old was proving to be like him. It is a hard life. Few peers understand the child. Teachers and administrators aren't trained on how to educate him. The poor boy was labled as antisocial and autistic because there isn't a classification for genius at our district's schools. He is getting some help but not the help he needs. He spends most of his school day in a special education class. Imagine how hard that is for an 8 year old who comprehends everything that is going on in the world around him. It would be like an adult being forced to learn in a special education class in an elementary school. It would be frustrating and inappropriate. When you have any condition that is extremely rare it can be lonely world.

A little Internet research can give you an idea of some of the struggles these kids face.

No client wants a 20 year old kid handling their legal matters. Doesn't matter if they are a prodigy. Hell, they don't even want K-JD first years, or any first years for that matter. I doubt a firm is going to hire that young of a law grad.

Go into a field (for now) where youth is appreciated - i.e. tech. Then, in 5 years come on back to law school if you are still interested. At that point, you'll have an established career, tons of marketable experience, and still only be 22 years old.

Enjoy your teenage years!