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But what about 170+ scorers?

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How do you think this will impact the 15-16 application cycle? More competitive applicants? Higher medians to beat?

Harry_Pluxen wrote:How do you think this will impact the 15-16 application cycle? More competitive applicants? Higher medians to beat?

During previous cycles high scorers (170+) dropped much more sharply than overall. It is still possible that for this cycle, the number of applicants in this range remain little changed (let's pray for it). Of course we can't tell until they publish breakdown details.

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ihenry wrote:

Harry_Pluxen wrote:How do you think this will impact the 15-16 application cycle? More competitive applicants? Higher medians to beat?

During previous cycles high scorers (170+) dropped much more sharply than overall. It is still possible that for this cycle, the number of applicants in this range remain little changed (let's pray for it). Of course we can't tell until they publish breakdown details.

When will that be?

TheodoreKGB wrote:Top scorers were way down last cycle, so it's still most likely that we see median drops at the top this year.

May be the beginning of the end though

Interesting. Could you clarify a bit? Do you mean to say that Medians will drop at top schools?

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whacka wrote:We can figure out if 170+ scorers went down by just comparing percentiles... If we can find a person who got a 170 on last year's June test, we can compare them against the total number of test takers. For this June's test, 170 was 97th percentile.

No I guess their percentile numbers come from the consolidated data over the three-year period, as indicated in that "IRR Additional" document.

TheodoreKGB wrote:@Harry_Pluxen

Yeah, I was saying that median LSATs will most likely drop at some top schools.

Applications were down, as were the # of 165+ scorers. Keep in mind that not everyone with a 165+ applies to/attends a top school. If you look at the raw number of available top scorers it appears to be all but inevitable.

Wouldn't the drop in medians at higher ranked schools trickle down to lower ranked schools as well, since higher ranked schools will be competing for some of the applicants who would normally only be limited to lower ranked schools due to their LSAT scores? This is assuming class sizes remain the same.

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TheodoreKGB wrote:Top scorers were way down last cycle, so it's still most likely that we see median drops at the top this year.

May be the beginning of the end though

smart people have been leaving law for years now and will continue to leave law. the career lifestyle, debt, and salary do not justify a smart person with many skills going to law school. all about working at corps on the rise and getting stock options these days.

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JohannDeMann wrote:

TheodoreKGB wrote:Top scorers were way down last cycle, so it's still most likely that we see median drops at the top this year.

May be the beginning of the end though

smart people have been leaving law for years now and will continue to leave law. the career lifestyle, debt, and salary do not justify a smart person with many skills going to law school. all about working at corps on the rise and getting stock options these days.

which is why i think big law firms need to raise their goddam starting salaries so the legal industry doesn't continue to lose talented people to other career paths. 160k for the last like 8 years? absurd considering inflation and how much more expensive tuition is these days. smart people considering law school r gona be like oh 160k is the absolute best case scenario if i go to law school? and that itself isn't even really worth it considering the cost of tuition, guess i'll go into to tech or private equity or something

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JohannDeMann wrote:

TheodoreKGB wrote:Top scorers were way down last cycle, so it's still most likely that we see median drops at the top this year.

May be the beginning of the end though

smart people have been leaving law for years now and will continue to leave law. the career lifestyle, debt, and salary do not justify a smart person with many skills going to law school. all about working at corps on the rise and getting stock options these days.

which is why i think big law firms need to raise their goddam starting salaries so the legal industry doesn't continue to lose talented people to other career paths. 160k for the last like 8 years? absurd considering inflation and how much more expensive tuition is these days. smart people considering law school r gona be like oh 160k is the absolute best case scenario if i go to law school? and that itself isn't even really worth it considering the cost of tuition, guess i'll go into to tech or private equity or something

Not a lot of prelaw people have the skills for tech or the pedigree for PE. Law remains attractive for liberal arts kids at non-target schools.

The question usually isn't, "Should I go to law school or take a job at Facebook/Blackstone/Goldman?" Instead, it's, "Should I take a gamble on law school and try to make it big, or go back home and live with my parents while working as a random data-entry monkey / retail store manager / barista?"

Obviously $160k looks pretty attractive in that situation.

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There was a lag in median drops, so I assume there will be a similar lag in median going back up right?