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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:01 pm
by mist4bison
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Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:10 pm
by nlee10
Here's a couple Yelp reviews of them.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/lsat-wiz-manhattan
ETA: On another note, you should still have over a month left in your TM class. Perhaps you'll see some gains coupled with more PT'ing down the road.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:18 pm
by 03152016
"170+"
if you're going to drop money on tutoring, make sure your tutor has phenomenal lsat score, not just a good one
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:34 pm
by mist4bison
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Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:51 pm
by ChemEng1642
mist4bison wrote:My work pays for $1500 of "tuition" related expenses each year
LSAT prep counts as "tuition" related expenses??
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:56 pm
by mist4bison
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Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:48 pm
by AReasonableMan
If anyone has any questions regarding LSAT Wiz, I would be happy to help. I founded it roughly 5 years ago, and many posters on this site have either used our tutoring or tutored for us. The greatest challenge in ensuring quality control is that the people we hire have mostly 99th percentile scores, and very good communication skills. Obviously when you combine a high IQ and not being awkward, people inevitably move onto bigger and better things than tutoring at some point.
In addition, over half the calls come in from desperate individuals 3 weeks or less of an LSAT. Rather than selling these packages, we give free advice on how admissions work and that for law to be a good decisions we need at least 3 months. Most often they go to other companies who promise them 20 point improvements in 2 weeks. The ones that heed our advice generally reach their goals, and have facilitated a free marketing campaign that allows us to keep prices low. However, we would make more money if we just did what the customer wanted, but money isn't worth leading people into crippling debt from my perspective.
We use Cambridge LSAT who makes materials for us, but students can bring any materials they have. Our approach is really more question type specific so no specific book is needed. We also have different approaches to teach individuals with a 140 than those with a 160. The reality is most of our students start between a 140 and 150. We have offered discounted at cost tutoring to some students who improved from the low 140s to mid 150s. Sometimes this is perceived as a scheme to make us more money, but some opt to do it. My motivation in doing this was years back my bread and butter was being able to help people go from the 130s to a 150 after they came to me desperate following the other bigger companies. Remaining friends with them, I learned a disproportionate amount of my students wound up on academic probation at schools who admitted them with a 155 despite their previous scores before meeting me being between a 135 and 145. Essentially, these students learned tricks from me, but weren't prepared to enter law school where no one taught them the tricks. Obviously I don't advertise the at cost tutoring. Economically, every business transaction comes with risk so it's asinine to have someone only sign up for 12 hours to give them 20 hrs tutoring. We've done this with individuals who are working class living paycheck to paycheck.
I will, god willing, be practicing law next year so will no longer be involved, but the model will remain intact. Our model is unique. We pay tutors twice of Kaplan or Princeton. Unfortunately, our business model precludes from operating like TestMasters who can pay 100/hr and offers a fantastic service. When you charge 70/hr or less you can't compete with TM. We have a different role. Our tutors are worth much more than we pay, some literally have more than half their students matriculate to t-14's including Harvard and Penn. I would openly admit we do get a good percentage of 10 point improvements, but if I were a rich man I'd send my kid to Testmasters. Frankly, I don't understand our best tutors' loyalty, but will say that I love these tutors and would vouch for them for the rest of my life.
Our mission statement is to provide a service to the working class that is comparable to the really expensive programs. We want the top stratosphere of the profession to be more socioeconomically diverse. Some of our tutors are better than most TM tutors, but the consistency of excellence at TM shames us. We simply can't offer 70/hr tutoring, and compete with them. In addition, because our prices are so low we tend to get students with lower starting scores. This is the grim reality of economic advantage (those with the most money, on average, have higher starting scores). That said we once had a girl with a 3.9 start with a mid-160s score. She improved, went to Harvard, was an amazing tutor for us but then left to a top ranked big law firm.
I'm not going to spam as it's not my style and against TLS policy (which is a fantastic resource that shouldn't be used as a marketing tool). If anyone has any questions about our specifics or is interested in seeing if they can be a The reason our prices are so much lower is because we only pay for tutors and materials. Tutors get 40/hr. Only test masters pays more and we pay double of Kaplan so we do get better tutors (99th percentile with experience). Though Kaplan is 130/hr, the tutor gets $20 and roughly $40 of each hour is spent on advertising. They also have a board of directors to pay. By making it small each two hour session is $90 with materials so there's a 50 dollar profit give or take. We also don't do much consistent sales or work with clients who are unserious. For instance there are individuals who call repeatedly to negotiate prices, reschedule daily and don't do any assigned work. We actually try to avoid working with students who are only willingness to put in work for a TTTT for ethical reasons. Most of our students wind up in T1s and t-14 schools. If this were my long term career I'd do things differently but I try to only make paraeto efficient outcomes. Anyway I hope your testament well!, please fire away. I only ask you keep it civil.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:38 pm
by rdawkins28
AReasonableMan wrote:If anyone has any questions regarding LSAT Wiz, I would be happy to help.
What's the relationship between LSAT Wiz and MetroplexLSATprep since you both use the same Dallas picture on your websites?
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:11 pm
by AReasonableMan
There is none. It's just a stock photo. Good find though. We never heard of metro LSAT.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:43 pm
by Clearly
I can vouch as a former lsat wiz instructor. All good.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:00 pm
by AReasonableMan
Brut wrote:"170+"
if you're going to drop money on tutoring, make sure your tutor has phenomenal lsat score, not just a good one
This is because of the basic geography of all of it. When you offer tutoring in places like Charlotte and Las Vegas, it could be hard to find people with a 170 so when a tutor leaves we are sometimes out of business in the area. If you're getting tutoring in Boston, your tutor is going to have a higher score than if you're getting tutored in Memphis. It's just the nature of the beast. Even among students, you'd be amazed by how predictive the neighborhood a person currently lives in is indicative of the LSAT score they're starting with when they start prepping. I'm fairly confident there is a strong correlation between parents' income and LSAT score, but unfortunately this data doesn't exist. We would like to help diminish this correlation.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:22 pm
by AReasonableMan
Clearly wrote:I can vouch as a former lsat wiz instructor. All good.
In the interest of full disclosure, this particular individual may be somewhat unrepresentative. If every LSAT tutor were as good as him, every school in the country would raise their median by 10 points. It'd become virtually impossible to get into a t-14.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:07 pm
by AReasonableMan
If anyone in Philly is interested in tutoring the LSAT please PM me to possibly set up a telephone interview. I am stepping down this weekend and leaving LSAT Wiz in bigger and better hands, but promised to have Philly taken care of. Thanks!
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:34 pm
by seashell.economy
AReasonableMan wrote:Brut wrote:"170+"
if you're going to drop money on tutoring, make sure your tutor has phenomenal lsat score, not just a good one
This is because of the basic geography of all of it. When you offer tutoring in places like Charlotte and Las Vegas, it could be hard to find people with a 170 so when a tutor leaves we are sometimes out of business in the area. If you're getting tutoring in Boston, your tutor is going to have a higher score than if you're getting tutored in Memphis. It's just the nature of the beast. Even among students, you'd be amazed by how predictive the neighborhood a person currently lives in is indicative of the LSAT score they're starting with when they start prepping. I'm fairly confident there is a strong correlation between parents' income and LSAT score, but unfortunately this data doesn't exist. We would like to help diminish this correlation.
Johnson, at Columbia, has some studies on this, I believe.
Re: Tutoring with LSATwiz?
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:30 pm
by AReasonableMan
Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Johnson study. I am also interested in hiring a high scoring LSAT taker with good communication skills in Philadelphia or the surrounding suburbs.