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Does anyone know any article or sites that detail recent trends among the number of high African American and/or minority scores on the LSAT?

I'd say there are fewer URMs with high (170+? 175+?) LSAT scores than non-URMs after adjusting for their representation of the populus, not because URMs are less intelligent/hard working, but because URMs are less likely to retake a score that is sufficient for their goals.

A URM with a 172 looking to get into HYS or a 168 looking to get into T14 wouldn't necessarily retake, but a non-URM would.

My point is knowing this information probably isn't going to help you in any way that myLSN can't.

If you're not asking about percentages, and just flat numbers, I also don't see how that's helpful since there are fewer URMinorities than there are non-URMs.

Would start my search by looking at this thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=195443

and

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=214761

Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

Mod edit: This is inappropriate and will not be tolerated. Enjoy your time-out from TLS.

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

Hmmmm...I will bite.

Based on the tropes I am thinking you are Asian? If so, I don't think that counts as URM, fwiw, so there is no admissions boost. I'm also pretty sure Asians are among the highest preforming ethnic groups on the LSAT, so there is no artificial "evening" going on.

Loled though.

Caesar Salad wrote:

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

Hmmmm...I will bite.

Based on the tropes I am thinking you are Asian? If so, I don't think that counts as URM, fwiw, so there is no admissions boost. I'm also pretty sure Asians are among the highest preforming ethnic groups on the LSAT, so there is no artificial "evening" going on.

Loled though.

I am aware I am not a URM, and there's nothing I can do but suck it up and study hard for my LSAT. Not gonna stop me from complaining under my breath though. I should just be grateful that I'm not disadvantaged for being Asian (at least I hope I'm not, I'd hope that I have the same chances at admittance as a white person with the same numbers). If there is any "reverse AA" going on then there's gonna soon be some suing going on.

sesto elemento wrote:Would start my search by looking at this thread: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=195443

and

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 4&t=214761

Thank you for responding with information for my post Sesto Elemento

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

I'd say this falls along the lines of debating the merits of AA, but whatever. Either way it seems odd (and maybe a bit telling) that you chose to describe your hypothetical minority by emphasizing their athletic abilities and sexual prowess.

180kickflip wrote:

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

I'd say this falls along the lines of debating the merits of AA, but whatever. Either way it seems odd (and maybe a bit telling) that you chose to describe your hypothetical minority by emphasizing their athletic abilities and sexual prowess.

It's a joke brah. There's nothing that can be done about AA so there's no point debating it.

Asians are definitely a URM in "boyfriends of hot girls", how about a little AA in that department? Eh? 2 inch boost? Your choice where those inches go.

Another joke, just in case you took that seriously.

On a serious note, in terms of racially-fueled bullying, I'll bet my left nut that Asians take the cake.

180kickflip wrote:

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

I'd say this falls along the lines of debating the merits of AA, but whatever. Either way it seems odd (and maybe a bit telling) that you chose to describe your hypothetical minority by emphasizing their athletic abilities and sexual prowess.

A bit telling that he is a racist or does it just SCREAM it?

It's appalling how some people are willing to take hyperbole as legitimate statements of opinion. If I must say it, here it is:

Not all black people are athletically and sexually superior to other races. Not all asians are athletically and sexually inferior to other races.

Do you need any more help unknotting your panties, walkingpanda? I'll go buy some baby oil.

PeanutsNJam wrote:It's appalling how some people are willing to take hyperbole as legitimate statements of opinion. If I must say it, here it is:

Not all black people are athletically and sexually superior to other races. Not all asians are athletically and sexually inferior to other races.

Do you need any more help unknotting your panties, walkingpanda? I'll go buy some baby oil.

you seem very well-adjusted

Brut wrote:

PeanutsNJam wrote:It's appalling how some people are willing to take hyperbole as legitimate statements of opinion. If I must say it, here it is:

Not all black people are athletically and sexually superior to other races. Not all asians are athletically and sexually inferior to other races.

Do you need any more help unknotting your panties, walkingpanda? I'll go buy some baby oil.

you seem very well-adjusted

Just tired of people screaming RACIST at the drop of a pin, like a hill billy from the deep South in the 60's screaming GAY cause a dude is wearing a pink shirt.

I would just like for everyone to stay on topic. I suspect that most of you are highly intelligent and capable of answering the questions that are posed in this forum with a great amount of thought and insight. When I first joined TLS, I was looking forward to the information that I would gain by the knowledge you all have. However, I see some view this forum as an opportunity to air their gripes. I hope this is stopped on this topic because it only leads to non-productive discussions, and as you see, it has already gotten someone temporarily kicked out from the site. As for the discussion, I will simply say this, as a young African American male, I don't seek to gain favor over other people no matter what their color. I wan't a 180 on this test, and will stop at nothing to get it. If anyone want's to help me in that goal, I welcome the advice. I do believe in being practical and using all my resources and options. That's the only reason I chose to start this particular thread, and it's the only reason why I ask every single question I do in this forum. For anyone that can direct me to a site that can help me with this particular thread, their input is more than welcomed. Let's keep it substantive.....thanks guys. Have a great day.

What are the chances of a race being taken out of the URM category. You've got to think if the Hispanic population keeps growing eventually it will be odd to give URM status to group that makes up such a large percentage of the population.

should-i-do-it wrote:What are the chances of a race being taken out of the URM category. You've got to think if the Hispanic population keeps growing eventually it will be odd to give URM status to group that makes up such a large percentage of the population.

URM status isn't based on general population, it's based on the population in law schools.

should-i-do-it wrote:What are the chances of a race being taken out of the URM category. You've got to think if the Hispanic population keeps growing eventually it will be odd to give URM status to group that makes up such a large percentage of the population.

Pretty sure universities would stop using AA before this happens. Imagine the lawsuits. In the end, it's literally what it is: under represented minorities.

If suddenly you get a huge influx of black applications that are 3.7+/170+, then I'm sure black people would no longer be considered a URM.

Still, I'm not happy with AA, but what can you do. It's not black people's fault.

ltowns1 wrote:I would just like for everyone to stay on topic. I suspect that most of you are highly intelligent and capable of answering the questions that are posed in this forum with a great amount of thought and insight. When I first joined TLS, I was looking forward to the information that I would gain by the knowledge you all have. However, I see some view this forum as an opportunity to air their gripes. I hope this is stopped on this topic because it only leads to non-productive discussions, and as you see, it has already gotten someone temporarily kicked out from the site. As for the discussion, I will simply say this, as a young African American male, I don't seek to gain favor over other people no matter what their color. I wan't a 180 on this test, and will stop at nothing to get it. If anyone want's to help me in that goal, I welcome the advice. I do believe in being practical and using all my resources and options. That's the only reason I chose to start this particular thread, and it's the only reason why I ask every single question I do in this forum. For anyone that can direct me to a site that can help me with this particular thread, their input is more than welcomed. Let's keep it substantive.....thanks guys. Have a great day.

Good post. If I were you I would not worry about the trends of how high "African American and/or minority scores" because I don't see any productive value in that data. This post seems to indicate that you aren't really worried about it, and I think it shows that your head is in the right place. Go study your butt off and get the best score you can get. If you aren't happy, study harder and score higher. If you want to get that 180 then work--it is possible (or so I've been told).

Obviously though you don't need to get a perfect score. Especially being URM, you will see a boost in your admissions chances. The best plan would be to figure out what your goals are, then figure out what schools will best allow you to accomplish those goals. Figure out what type of employment you most want and what types of employment you would not consider. Find schools that are most likely to place you in your favored career and are not likely to trap you in an unfavorable one. Figure out what market you want to live and work in and find what schools best accomplish getting you there. Figure out how much debt you are willing to take on and, realistically, how long it will take you to pay it off and how the strain of repayment will effect your QOL. Finding the answers to these questions will help you figure out what type of score you need. Find the schools you want, then go to LST and see how other URMs have fared in admissions and what types of LSAT/GPA numbers they posted. Exceed those numbers and watch the $$$ come. Good luck!

Caesar Salad wrote:

ltowns1 wrote:I would just like for everyone to stay on topic. I suspect that most of you are highly intelligent and capable of answering the questions that are posed in this forum with a great amount of thought and insight. When I first joined TLS, I was looking forward to the information that I would gain by the knowledge you all have. However, I see some view this forum as an opportunity to air their gripes. I hope this is stopped on this topic because it only leads to non-productive discussions, and as you see, it has already gotten someone temporarily kicked out from the site. As for the discussion, I will simply say this, as a young African American male, I don't seek to gain favor over other people no matter what their color. I wan't a 180 on this test, and will stop at nothing to get it. If anyone want's to help me in that goal, I welcome the advice. I do believe in being practical and using all my resources and options. That's the only reason I chose to start this particular thread, and it's the only reason why I ask every single question I do in this forum. For anyone that can direct me to a site that can help me with this particular thread, their input is more than welcomed. Let's keep it substantive.....thanks guys. Have a great day.

Good post. If I were you I would not worry about the trends of how high "African American and/or minority scores" because I don't see any productive value in that data. This post seems to indicate that you aren't really worried about it, and I think it shows that your head is in the right place. Go study your butt off and get the best score you can get. If you aren't happy, study harder and score higher. If you want to get that 180 then work--it is possible (or so I've been told).

Obviously though you don't need to get a perfect score. Especially being URM, you will see a boost in your admissions chances. The best plan would be to figure out what your goals are, then figure out what schools will best allow you to accomplish those goals. Figure out what type of employment you most want and what types of employment you would not consider. Find schools that are most likely to place you in your favored career and are not likely to trap you in an unfavorable one. Figure out what market you want to live and work in and find what schools best accomplish getting you there. Figure out how much debt you are willing to take on and, realistically, how long it will take you to pay it off and how the strain of repayment will effect your QOL. Finding the answers to these questions will help you figure out what type of score you need. Find the schools you want, then go to LST and see how other URMs have fared in admissions and what types of LSAT/GPA numbers they posted. Exceed those numbers and watch the $$$ come. Good luck!

Actually, I have a lot of those questions figured out already lol, but thanks for the advice.

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PeanutsNJam wrote:It's appalling how some people are willing to take hyperbole as legitimate statements of opinion. If I must say it, here it is:

Not all black people are athletically and sexually superior to other races. Not all asians are athletically and sexually inferior to other races.

Do you need any more help unknotting your panties, walkingpanda? I'll go buy some baby oil.

This board is not a proxy for your therapy sessions.

PeanutsNJam wrote:

gatesome wrote:Minorities score lower on the LSAT because [excuse], and they are admitted with lower credentials because of [guilt] and [political correctness].

My people were treated like indentured servants, paid next to nothing to build railroads in very dangerous conditions, and are currently discriminated against more so than any other minority in the public schooling system by other students. I'd like a little guilt to swing my way. Yes my eyes are open, no I don't have four eyes, no I don't know kung fu, I can drive just fine, my penis is average sized, and no I don't know how to cook orange chicken. My english is fluent because I grew up here.

It's true that someone hundreds of years ago forced your great great great grandmother to separate from your great great grandfather after beating her with a leather whip, but you're varsity runningback and have boned more girls by the end of high school than I've lived years by the time I lost my virginity. I think we're even.

You are a racist, and should be ashamed of yourself. There is a big difference between being bullied out of your lunch money, and being burnt alive and hung. I am also from a minority that was discriminated against, but you really can't compare other mistreatments to slavery. They are different, and had different impacts on populations.

For instance, Jews were not allowed to own over a certain amount in Europe for close to 1,000 years, and for hundreds of years were confined to ghettos. I believe the term "ghetto" is Italian, and originally referred to where all the Jews were kept. The actual impact this had were that most Jewish men could not provide for a family so died off without having children. To survive required the ability to succeed in more specialized fields. This is the most commonly given explanation for why Ashkenazi Jews do disproportionately well in school, and why Sephardic Jews do just as well as the general population.

Also, I don't know about your racist tirade on athletic capability or sexual prowess. The average height of Eastern Europeans is much greater than those of African origin. If you're speaking about basketball players, this could easily be summed up by differences in work ethic. Shawn Bradley could have been more a physical specimen than Patrick Ewing, but Patrick Ewing worked much harder and kept himself in much better shape. You're a racist, and should feel bad.

On the issue of minority scores on the LSAT, this is an interesting topic, and is only dismissed as racist because it's normally focused on by racists. There was a lawsuit about 13 years ago where evidence was submitted that it was a 141. I think it might have increased slightly more recently to about a 144, but LSAC doesn't do a very good job of keeping this data. It would be more useful to know not only race, but what neighborhoods the people grew up in. The lower median is merely one element of the underrepresentation. An arguably bigger issue is the fact that there are disproportionately fewer black college graduates. This is probably linked to income discrepancies more than it is linked to race itself. But even if the average score for black students was equal to white students, there would still be underrepresentation.

Most importantly, the odds of affirmative action being why you specifically do not get into a given school are close to zero. You're just scapegoating them.

ltowns1 wrote: Actually, I have a lot of those questions figured out already lol, but thanks for the advice.

Then what is the point of your question exactly?

lsatkillah wrote:I'm an Asian female. I'm not a minority?!

Extra points to myself for the Dorothy Wang ref.

I love DW!

& THANK YOU SESTO ELEMENTO for actually being helpful and answering the question.

Everything else is very inappropriate at worst, unnecessary at best.