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Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by jaysan150 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:14 pm

Nation Y does not export any crop that Nation Z exports


~ = negation

Initially I wrote

~Y -----> Z

After reading it carefully I wrote this instead

Z -----> ~ Y


Can anyone give more examples so I can understand it better ? Or possibly a thorough explanation . I kinda understand why that second diagram is correct but when I try to explain it to myself I get confused . Lol

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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by P.J.Fry » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:19 pm

Bill (B) does not see any movie that Ted (T) sees.

Therefore if Ted sees Excellent Adventure (ea), then Bill does not see Excellent Adventure.

T --> -B
Tea --> -Bea

If Bill does not see Excellent Adventure, there is no bearing on what Ted sees. He may or may not see it.

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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by jaysan150 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:02 pm

I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all

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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by BP Robert » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:28 am

The best way to think of it may be:

"I will not attend the party if she does"

SD --> not A (She Does --> not Attend)

Your second diagram is correct for the same reason that "Z --> Y" would be correct for "Nation Y exports any crop that Nation Z exports." If Z does it, Y does too. Now you just note the fact that "Nation Y DOES NOT export any crop that Nation Z exports," and your diagram becomes "Z --> not Y." If Z does it, then Y does not.

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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by Christine (MLSAT) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:48 am

jaysan150 wrote:I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all

I wouldn't focus as much on the "that", but more on the "any". "Any" is often a sufficient keyword. (Grammatically, the "that" is simply connecting the "any" to the information that follows, but that connection can be accomplished without the "that".)

Any book that Joe writes will be terrible:
  • If book that Joe writes --> terrible
Anywhere we can get pizza is fine with me:
  • If place we can get pizza --> fine with me
Any of those dresses will work:
  • If one of those dresses --> it will work
I will go anywhere you go:
  • If you go there --> I will go there
I'm free anytime after 3pm:
  • If after 3pm --> I'm free
Please tell me anything that he says tonight!
  • If he says something --> tell me
I won't eat anything that walked on 4 legs.
  • If it walked on 4 legs --> I won't eat it.
I'll buy any of your paintings.
  • If it's your painting --> I'll buy it
Hope that helps a bit!

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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule

Post by kevgogators » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:23 am

Christine (MLSAT) wrote:
jaysan150 wrote:I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all

I wouldn't focus as much on the "that", but more on the "any". "Any" is often a sufficient keyword. (Grammatically, the "that" is simply connecting the "any" to the information that follows, but that connection can be accomplished without the "that".)

Any book that Joe writes will be terrible:
  • If book that Joe writes --> terrible
Anywhere we can get pizza is fine with me:
  • If place we can get pizza --> fine with me
Any of those dresses will work:
  • If one of those dresses --> it will work
I will go anywhere you go:
  • If you go there --> I will go there
I'm free anytime after 3pm:
  • If after 3pm --> I'm free
Please tell me anything that he says tonight!
  • If he says something --> tell me
I won't eat anything that walked on 4 legs.
  • If it walked on 4 legs --> I won't eat it.
I'll buy any of your paintings.
  • If it's your painting --> I'll buy it
Hope that helps a bit!
Furthermore, the same rule applies to the words "all, each, and every". They are all equivalent to the word "any" in the sense that they all introduce the sufficient condition.

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