Diagramming this wording of a rule Forum
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Diagramming this wording of a rule
Nation Y does not export any crop that Nation Z exports
~ = negation
Initially I wrote
~Y -----> Z
After reading it carefully I wrote this instead
Z -----> ~ Y
Can anyone give more examples so I can understand it better ? Or possibly a thorough explanation . I kinda understand why that second diagram is correct but when I try to explain it to myself I get confused . Lol
~ = negation
Initially I wrote
~Y -----> Z
After reading it carefully I wrote this instead
Z -----> ~ Y
Can anyone give more examples so I can understand it better ? Or possibly a thorough explanation . I kinda understand why that second diagram is correct but when I try to explain it to myself I get confused . Lol
- P.J.Fry
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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule
Bill (B) does not see any movie that Ted (T) sees.
Therefore if Ted sees Excellent Adventure (ea), then Bill does not see Excellent Adventure.
T --> -B
Tea --> -Bea
If Bill does not see Excellent Adventure, there is no bearing on what Ted sees. He may or may not see it.
Therefore if Ted sees Excellent Adventure (ea), then Bill does not see Excellent Adventure.
T --> -B
Tea --> -Bea
If Bill does not see Excellent Adventure, there is no bearing on what Ted sees. He may or may not see it.
- mornincounselor
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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule
I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all
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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule
The best way to think of it may be:
"I will not attend the party if she does"
SD --> not A (She Does --> not Attend)
Your second diagram is correct for the same reason that "Z --> Y" would be correct for "Nation Y exports any crop that Nation Z exports." If Z does it, Y does too. Now you just note the fact that "Nation Y DOES NOT export any crop that Nation Z exports," and your diagram becomes "Z --> not Y." If Z does it, then Y does not.
"I will not attend the party if she does"
SD --> not A (She Does --> not Attend)
Your second diagram is correct for the same reason that "Z --> Y" would be correct for "Nation Y exports any crop that Nation Z exports." If Z does it, Y does too. Now you just note the fact that "Nation Y DOES NOT export any crop that Nation Z exports," and your diagram becomes "Z --> not Y." If Z does it, then Y does not.
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- Christine (MLSAT)
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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule
jaysan150 wrote:I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all
I wouldn't focus as much on the "that", but more on the "any". "Any" is often a sufficient keyword. (Grammatically, the "that" is simply connecting the "any" to the information that follows, but that connection can be accomplished without the "that".)
Any book that Joe writes will be terrible:
- If book that Joe writes --> terrible
- If place we can get pizza --> fine with me
- If one of those dresses --> it will work
- If you go there --> I will go there
- If after 3pm --> I'm free
- If he says something --> tell me
- If it walked on 4 legs --> I won't eat it.
- If it's your painting --> I'll buy it
- kevgogators
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Re: Diagramming this wording of a rule
Furthermore, the same rule applies to the words "all, each, and every". They are all equivalent to the word "any" in the sense that they all introduce the sufficient condition.Christine (MLSAT) wrote:jaysan150 wrote:I feel like the word that is an indicator but I am not sure of what lol . Also the examples have helped . Thanks y'all
I wouldn't focus as much on the "that", but more on the "any". "Any" is often a sufficient keyword. (Grammatically, the "that" is simply connecting the "any" to the information that follows, but that connection can be accomplished without the "that".)
Any book that Joe writes will be terrible:Anywhere we can get pizza is fine with me:
- If book that Joe writes --> terrible
Any of those dresses will work:
- If place we can get pizza --> fine with me
I will go anywhere you go:
- If one of those dresses --> it will work
I'm free anytime after 3pm:
- If you go there --> I will go there
Please tell me anything that he says tonight!
- If after 3pm --> I'm free
I won't eat anything that walked on 4 legs.
- If he says something --> tell me
I'll buy any of your paintings.
- If it walked on 4 legs --> I won't eat it.
Hope that helps a bit!
- If it's your painting --> I'll buy it