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Hey guys I'm shooting for a 176 in September LSAT. I have completed most of the material from 1-38 and am doing alright on just recent practice test (~167). I have 2.5 months entirely devoted to LSAT + Thesis work this summer. Is this enough time to get to raise about 6 7 points? My main problems seem to be inconcistency/time. I know how to do most LG's and RC isn't that hard for me and LR is meh, pretty good. Anyway, I'm not very far in my thesis which has to be 30 pages at least (ugh) so I know I have to spend at least some of this time devoted to thesis. I was thinking 6 hrs/day thesis 6 hrs/day LSAT? Does that suffice for 2.5 months leading up to October? Thanks.

No one can really tell you if its enough time to get the score you want/need. Everyone learns at their own pace, but if you can stay focused while doing your thesis, I don't see how it's out of the realm of possibilities.

Gluck!

Bajam wrote:No one can really tell you if its enough time to get the score you want/need. Everyone learns at their own pace, but if you can stay focused while doing your thesis, I don't see how it's out of the realm of possibilities.

Gluck!

Would you say it's more in the realm of possibly or more in the realm of probability?

I really need a 176.

dude nobody can say whether you will be able to get such a specific number +

you have plenty of time, 30 pages isn't that much

your not gonna study 12 hours a day without getting burned out

just study as hard as you can and see how it progresses you got almost 7 months

manillabay wrote:

Bajam wrote:No one can really tell you if its enough time to get the score you want/need. Everyone learns at their own pace, but if you can stay focused while doing your thesis, I don't see how it's out of the realm of possibilities.

Gluck!

Would you say it's more in the realm of possibly or more in the realm of probability?

I really need a 176.

Disclaimer: This is not directed at you.


I am a bit tired of these kinds of threads. No one will be able to tell you if this is enough time. In fact, no one will be able to tell you if you will EVER hit a 176. Stop worrying about what other people "think" and just study. Seriously, what kind of benefit is this thread? You will receive gratification from some 0L's that you can do it? C'mon now.

Just study.

WaltGrace83 wrote:

manillabay wrote:

Bajam wrote:No one can really tell you if its enough time to get the score you want/need. Everyone learns at their own pace, but if you can stay focused while doing your thesis, I don't see how it's out of the realm of possibilities.

Gluck!

Would you say it's more in the realm of possibly or more in the realm of probability?

I really need a 176.

Disclaimer: This is not directed at you.


I am a bit tired of these kinds of threads. No one will be able to tell you if this is enough time. In fact, no one will be able to tell you if you will EVER hit a 176. Stop worrying about what other people "think" and just study. Seriously, what kind of benefit is this thread? You will receive gratification from some 0L's that you can do it? C'mon now.

Just study.

I'm not looking for gratification. And this is my thread not anyone else. I am just trying to figure out if I should not do a thesis or something. LSAT is very important to me. Sorry.

Suppose we say that it IS enough. What does that change? Suppose we say that it IS NOT enough. What does that change? Are you going to work differently depending on what we say? This is my point.

WaltGrace83 wrote:Suppose we say that it IS enough. What does that change? Suppose we say that it IS NOT enough. What does that change? Are you going to work differently depending on what we say? This is my point.

I very may well consider changing my outlined approach if I receive valuable insight.

manillabay wrote:

WaltGrace83 wrote:Suppose we say that it IS enough. What does that change? Suppose we say that it IS NOT enough. What does that change? Are you going to work differently depending on what we say? This is my point.

I very may well consider changing my outlined approach if I receive valuable insight.

As I said, I am not trying to bash you. I think everyone on this website is awesome for being so considerate of their future (I wish everyone in America was like this). However, understand that no one here will be able to help you when it comes to these sorts of things. I started studying last June and really thought I would have a year to study for June 14. Life happened and I had to take a break but I started again in January. I will beat this test no matter how long it takes. Don't focus on what we say you can/cannot do. Just work your tail off! If you aren't ready by September, postpone the test. If you are ready, congratulations!

Anyone here will help you with Open Conditional Grouping games or with dissecting LR arguments or with understanding science passages better. We will never be able to help you understand how long it will take YOU to master this test.

This thread is rustling my jimmies.

Less than a half of one percent ever score 176+, absolutely no one here will be able to tell you if this oddly specific score is going to happen for you, and certainly not tell you when.

Only you can answer that question, OP. You know better than anyone else what you're capable of.

WaltGrace83 wrote:Suppose we say that it IS enough. What does that change? Suppose we say that it IS NOT enough. What does that change? Are you going to work differently depending on what we say? This is my point.

+1

You should be getting 180s on your PTs consistently in order to have a decent chance of scoring a 176 on the actual test. So when that's happening, you'll be ready.

ETA: I agree with everyone else that this thread is stupid

francesfarmer wrote:You should be getting 180s on your PTs consistently in order to have a decent chance of scoring a 176 on the actual test. So when that's happening, you'll be ready.

ETA: I agree with everyone else that this thread is stupid

Hey, I didn't make this thread to ask people whether or not they think this thread is stupid. I made it to ask for substantive information/advice, and your statement is not substantive nor advisory. Therefore, your statement should not be made. Why don't you bother someone else with your unneeded opinions?

God.

manillabay wrote:
Hey, I didn't make this thread to ask people whether or not they think this thread is stupid. I made it to ask for substantive information/advice, and your statement is not substantive nor advisory. Therefore, your statement should not be made. Why don't you bother someone else with your unneeded opinions?

God.

To be honest, they gave you good advice. PTing at 180 consistently - TITCR.

manillabay wrote:

francesfarmer wrote:You should be getting 180s on your PTs consistently in order to have a decent chance of scoring a 176 on the actual test. So when that's happening, you'll be ready.

ETA: I agree with everyone else that this thread is stupid

Hey, I didn't make this thread to ask people whether or not they think this thread is stupid. I made it to ask for substantive information/advice, and your statement is not substantive nor advisory. Therefore, your statement should not be made. Why don't you bother someone else with your unneeded opinions?

God.

Actually, he gave you some of the most substantive advice in the thread... that just poking up into that score range isn't usually enough to lock it down on test day. A 176 is either a very lucky day for a 172, or a bad day for a 180... which would you like to be?

manillabay wrote:

francesfarmer wrote:You should be getting 180s on your PTs consistently in order to have a decent chance of scoring a 176 on the actual test. So when that's happening, you'll be ready.

ETA: I agree with everyone else that this thread is stupid

Hey, I didn't make this thread to ask people whether or not they think this thread is stupid. I made it to ask for substantive information/advice, and your statement is not substantive nor advisory. Therefore, your statement should not be made. Why don't you bother someone else with your unneeded opinions?

God.

Yes. Don't bother OP with your opinions; bother God.

Speaking of which, OP, only God can tell you whether you have enough time to score at 175+ level by September. Because time is not the limiting factor. Skill is the limiting factor. If you can develop the skills necessary to score at that level by next week, then you can score at that level next week. If you develop them by September, then you can score 175+ in September.

You haven't given anyone (yourself included, it seems) enough information to determine what might be a reasonable timeline for you. Start studying, identify your specific weaknesses, and come back for advice on how to improve them. How long that takes will depend on you.

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I agree with everyone else that there's no way to guarantee that you'll get a 176, but if you're working hard and PTing in the 176+ range consistently, then that should hypothetically be more than enough time. For whatever it's worth, I got to a 175 with like 3 months of prep, and I had previously been PTing about where you are.

But again, studying will be significantly more helpful to you than any advice you'd get from this thread.

manillabay wrote:Hey guys I'm shooting for a 176 in September LSAT. I have completed most of the material from 1-38 and am doing alright on just recent practice test (~167). I have 2.5 months entirely devoted to LSAT + Thesis work this summer. Is this enough time to get to raise about 6 7 points? My main problems seem to be inconcistency/time. I know how to do most LG's and RC isn't that hard for me and LR is meh, pretty good. Anyway, I'm not very far in my thesis which has to be 30 pages at least (ugh) so I know I have to spend at least some of this time devoted to thesis. I was thinking 6 hrs/day thesis 6 hrs/day LSAT? Does that suffice for 2.5 months leading up to October? Thanks.

Unfortunately, the math is stacked against you. Even if you devote 16 hours per day to the LSAT between now and September, a 176 is simply not possible given the circumstances. You've already completed the material for 38 exams, and you're at a 167. Based on everything we know about the limits of mental performance and improvement, your ceiling is 171. It's time for you to adjust your expectations.

rpupkin wrote:

manillabay wrote:Hey guys I'm shooting for a 176 in September LSAT. I have completed most of the material from 1-38 and am doing alright on just recent practice test (~167). I have 2.5 months entirely devoted to LSAT + Thesis work this summer. Is this enough time to get to raise about 6 7 points? My main problems seem to be inconcistency/time. I know how to do most LG's and RC isn't that hard for me and LR is meh, pretty good. Anyway, I'm not very far in my thesis which has to be 30 pages at least (ugh) so I know I have to spend at least some of this time devoted to thesis. I was thinking 6 hrs/day thesis 6 hrs/day LSAT? Does that suffice for 2.5 months leading up to October? Thanks.

Unfortunately, the math is stacked against you. Even if you devote 16 hours per day to the LSAT between now and September, a 176 is simply not possible given the circumstances. You've already completed the material for 38 exams, and you're at a 167. Based on everything we know about the limits of mental performance and improvement, your ceiling is 171. It's time for you to adjust your expectations.

I literally can't stop laughing. Tysvm for writing that out.

Thanks guys that helps me some. Appreciate it guys. (Except from some of you, you know who you are).

The big question is not how much you're going to study for the LSAT (6 hours a day for 2.5 months is far too much) but what you're going to do differently. You said that you've been through 30+ tests already--you've very likely maxed out what you can gain by doing more of the same. I don't think you said how much your score improved during that stretch, which would be useful information, but it would seem that what you've been doing either isn't working or has taken you pretty close to as far as it can.

Of course, the suggestion that it's "just not possible" is not accurate. But, gaining 9 points from where you're currently sitting is far more difficult than gaining 9 points right out of the box, starting from a 155. What you need is analysis and strategy--figure out (or hire someone to figure out) where your weak points are, what the common thread among them is and how you can build up those specific skills. More tests the same way you've been working them is very unlikely to be the right answer.

manillabay wrote:

francesfarmer wrote:You should be getting 180s on your PTs consistently in order to have a decent chance of scoring a 176 on the actual test. So when that's happening, you'll be ready.

ETA: I agree with everyone else that this thread is stupid

Hey, I didn't make this thread to ask people whether or not they think this thread is stupid. I made it to ask for substantive information/advice, and your statement is not substantive nor advisory. Therefore, your statement should not be made. Why don't you bother someone else with your unneeded opinions?

God.

Haha welcome to TLS, man. It looks like you'll love it here. Once again though, no one is trying to bash you at all. This is a very realistic and helpful group of people. TLS has literally saved lives. I would guess that TLS has saved hundreds of lives from financial ruin. Why are you so dead set on a 176 anyway? Do you have a mediocre/bad GPA? What have you been doing to prep?

Thanks for the responses. Let me clear it up a bit.

When I say I've taken done 1-38 I meant I've done the drilling. I've only taken two prep tests and both of which I screwed up on the timing portion. So I don't know what that means and there is still some improvement, especially in LR. RC & LG, like I said, are pretty good; still a little slower than I'd like. For 176: I'd love a 180 but I'm trying to be practical. I don't think I can get nearly all of the questions right, but who knows. MY gpa is just fine.