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Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:27 pm
by anonymiB
Was December 2010 the hardest LG ever in any LSAT test, prep or real?
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:38 pm
by rht82688
I think it ranks high up there. There was such little space to work out the first two games and it seemed like it was all about hypos, plug n chug variables. I think the 4th game was super easy, but people probably had a hard time even getting to it. I was able to do very well on the october games but felt like this set was much, much tougher.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:52 pm
by cardinals03
This LG section was more time consuming. I had no trouble with the first game, but stained glass took a lot of time. After that I quickly read the setup for games 3 & 4 and decided the latter was easier and completed it, but blind guessed on most of the third game. The numerous hypos seemed to be the trouble with these games in my opinion.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:57 pm
by anonymiB
cardinals03 wrote:This LG section was more time consuming. I had no trouble with the first game, but stained glass took a lot of time. After that I quickly read the setup for games 3 & 4 and decided the latter was easier and completed it, but blind guessed on most of the third game. The numerous hypos seemed to be the trouble with these games in my opinion.
Now I am thinking I did really poorly on this part, what is a hypo
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:59 pm
by robotclubmember
I do personally feel like no other LG section has given me this much difficulty. The closest to it for me was new and used CD sale I think, but that was earlier in my prep that I took that as well. I would chalk it up to test day nerves, but LG was fifth and I cruised through the first four sections.
I don't know how to really objectively measure the difficulty of a logic game, not with any data that is available to me anyway, so who knows. But for me, I'd say yes, it was the hardest LG I have ever encountered on the LSAT.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:01 am
by robotclubmember
anonymiB wrote:cardinals03 wrote:This LG section was more time consuming. I had no trouble with the first game, but stained glass took a lot of time. After that I quickly read the setup for games 3 & 4 and decided the latter was easier and completed it, but blind guessed on most of the third game. The numerous hypos seemed to be the trouble with these games in my opinion.
Now I am thinking I did really poorly on this part, what is a hypo
a hypothetical diagram in which you hypothetically place all of the variables in a way that satisfies the rules. some games may only hypothetically have three possible solutions, in which case if you do hypos at the beginning, all of the answers will be right in front of your face. if you do hypotheticals correctly, it's like having an answer key in your face, but it's a big investment in time too.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:02 am
by cardinals03
anonymiB wrote:cardinals03 wrote:This LG section was more time consuming. I had no trouble with the first game, but stained glass took a lot of time. After that I quickly read the setup for games 3 & 4 and decided the latter was easier and completed it, but blind guessed on most of the third game. The numerous hypos seemed to be the trouble with these games in my opinion.
Now I am thinking I did really poorly on this part, what is a hypo
A hypothetical situation in a game. Each question usually has you consider a new hypo such as "if A runs second, then where must B run".
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:14 am
by 58932ugahoige
Not even close. The section was slightly time consuming, but if you looked at the clues you could make an inference that made LG2 easy.
There are much, much harder games out there.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:21 am
by anonymiB
cardinals03 wrote:anonymiB wrote:cardinals03 wrote:This LG section was more time consuming. I had no trouble with the first game, but stained glass took a lot of time. After that I quickly read the setup for games 3 & 4 and decided the latter was easier and completed it, but blind guessed on most of the third game. The numerous hypos seemed to be the trouble with these games in my opinion.
Now I am thinking I did really poorly on this part, what is a hypo
A hypothetical situation in a game. Each question usually has you consider a new hypo such as "if A runs second, then where must B run".
That's what I figured, thank you for the information. I will learn all the meanings and LG diagrams if I am going to retake again, tyvm for this tidbit.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:54 am
by etown989
Shmuckluk wrote:Not even close. The section was slightly time consuming, but if you looked at the clues you could make an inference that made LG2 easy.
There are much, much harder games out there.
1)muave dinos
2) and the goddamn female lizards/snakes
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:59 am
by 2Serious4Numbers
etown989 wrote:Shmuckluk wrote:Not even close. The section was slightly time consuming, but if you looked at the clues you could make an inference that made LG2 easy.
There are much, much harder games out there.
1)muave dinos
2) and the goddamn female lizards/snakes
I'll see your dinos... and raise you a set of "bus seats"
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:02 am
by Revolver066
+1 to female lizards/snakes :shudders:. On my prep test I somehow got -0 on Dinos yet made three dumb mistakes on the easier games. Go figure.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:26 am
by Sh@keNb@ke
Lizards and CD's are the hardest ever IMO, although I haven't gotten to the dinos yet.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:39 am
by Kobe_Teeth
Sh@keNb@ke wrote:Lizards and CD's are the hardest ever IMO, although I haven't gotten to the dinos yet.
Dinos FTW. Lizards and Cd's I thought were kinda easy.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:42 am
by SchopenhauerFTW
^ Three fans of the Lakers in a row.
CDs was awful. Bus seats as well.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:00 am
by Attorney
SchopenhauerFTW wrote:^ Three fans of the Lakers in a row.
I didn't think there were that many NBA fans in the entire country, much less that many for one random team.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:12 am
by lakers3peat
LAKERS 3 PEAT BABY!! WOOT!!
too bad we looked like amateurs tonight.
we got the heat come christmas day!!
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:21 am
by bartleby
CDs was the hardest game ever. But as an entire LG section, Dec 2010 has to be near the top of the list. I'm not sure of any LG sections where they deliberately put the easiest game as the fourth one.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:43 am
by kkklick
2Serious4Numbers wrote:etown989 wrote:Shmuckluk wrote:Not even close. The section was slightly time consuming, but if you looked at the clues you could make an inference that made LG2 easy.
There are much, much harder games out there.
1)muave dinos
2) and the goddamn female lizards/snakes
I'll see your dinos... and raise you a set of "
bus seats"
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:49 am
by androstan
While I'm not a top-scorer on logic game, I don't generally consider them "hard". I usually just can't move/think fast enough to get to every question. If given 45 minutes on the section I could probably go 100% almost every time.
But the lizards... that was a hard game. Harder than stained glass or conferences for sure.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:33 pm
by robotclubmember
For me, lizards was -0. Bus seats was -0. Mauve dinosaur was -0. New and used CD sale was -2 (taken much earlier in prep).
None of the games, neither conferences or stained glass, in PT 62 were individually as difficult as any of the individual games listed above. But PT 62, taken as a whole, was more difficult than any of those sections taken as a whole IMO.
If you go game for game, PT 62 didn't have anything even in the top 5 probably. But if you go section by section, LG PT 62 was intense and I'd rank it as my #1 hardest LG section taken as a whole. But, that said, LR and RC were easy on PT 62, so it wasn't too bad. I'm not sure if this thread is asking for the hardest individual game, or hardest section of games, but it seems like people are responding as if the former were the question.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:36 pm
by 2011Law
Dinos
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:37 pm
by poi
Zephyr Airline connections.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:49 pm
by iwanta170
I got a 165 in October and retook in December. I thought that both LR sections were really easy. RC is usually my worst section and I think I did better than usual, but I did have a new strategy that I think helped. Games I average 0-2 wrong (only when I make stupid mistakes) and I ran out of time on that section. Had to blind guess on a few. I walked out of the test thinking that I blew it thanks to LG but with a big curve I think I'm in good shape. The LG section was definitely one of the hardest I've taken, and I've done practically all of the tests dating back to 1992. I don't think the RC and LR sections being a little easier than usual will offset the difficulty of the games. Therefore, a -13 or -14 curve sounds about right.
Re: Hardest LG ever?
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:27 pm
by sarahlawg
Everyone talking about these games makes me want to do them...PTs in the past have had games with no space to write, so I'm just curious about the games themselves. Good thing a friend of mine took the Dec test so I can mooch off her PDFs!
...I need help.