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Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

well.... my understanding is that the number is less than last year, and that last year the curves were more generous due to those people taking the test unprepared. i don't remember where exactly that thread is, though.

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

First of all, # of LSAT takers have declined from last year. Second, the curve has nothing to do with how many people take it. Third, GTFO.

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superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

Fortunately, curves are already established through previous experimental sections, so the influx of people going back to school shouldn't impact us too much...

As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Definately, If december was a 7/10 on the difficulty scale, December was a 9/10, a harder RC would have definately made it 10/10. People are forgetting a -14 on a 102 question test is really a -13 in terms of a 101 question test, so it's not that far of a stretch. A -11 would mean a -10 compared to October which would be bull.

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

This.

kkklick wrote:

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Definately, If december was a 7/10 on the difficulty scale, December was a 9/10, a harder RC would have definately made it 10/10. People are forgetting a -14 on a 102 question test is really a -13 in terms of a 101 question test, so it's not that far of a stretch. A -11 would mean a -10 compared to October which would be bull.

So you think it will be >-14 due to the extra question? I think they learned from last year and are trying to weed people out...-12

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

I think that this is not the first time you have posted on this forum. I think you created a shill account because you didn't want your regular name to get burned by the imminent flaming.

superw wrote:

kkklick wrote:

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Definately, If december was a 7/10 on the difficulty scale, December was a 9/10, a harder RC would have definately made it 10/10. People are forgetting a -14 on a 102 question test is really a -13 in terms of a 101 question test, so it's not that far of a stretch. A -11 would mean a -10 compared to October which would be bull.

So you think it will be >-14 due to the extra question? I think they learned from last year and are trying to weed people out...-12

That makes no sense, LSAC's goal is not to weed people out, their job is to just make a difficult exam. Law schools weed people out by setting the minimum requirements necessary to gain acceptance.

What's the curve do? I just took the Dec. test and am getting a bit worried/excited... can someone enlighten me please ?

Brownadam26 wrote:What's the curve do? I just took the Dec. test and am getting a bit worried/excited... can someone enlighten me please ?

The curve is the scoring scale for converting your raw score to an LSAT score. In other words, depending on the curve, getting 87 correct answers could be a 169 or a 170. People typically refer to -# to refer to the maximum number of questions you can miss to score a 170+.

Brownadam26 wrote:What's the curve do? I just took the Dec. test and am getting a bit worried/excited... can someone enlighten me please ?

The curve that people are referring to refers to how many questions someone can get wrong and still get a 170. For example, in October the curve was -12 meaning that if you got 12 questions wrong you got a 170. The curve is supposed to make it so that all scores pretty much mean the same thing (a 170 in October is just as hard to achieve as a 170 in December). So if one test is harder/easier than another test the curve is supposed to be more/less forgiving in order to keep the scores equivalent. People are saying that December was harder than October so Decembers curve is expected to be more forgiving (December curves also have a history of being more forgiving in general). Hth.

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I'm glad it was a harder test, whenever I was doing PT's I always scored better on the tests that were harder/more forgiving curve rather than easy/tight curves.

SchopenhauerFTW wrote:I wish threads like this would include a question mark in the title.

Sorry, I will add one, makes it look like I already know that it is going to be -11 or something

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

Evidence says it's not even a factor, but if anything you have it backwards.
I would argue that the influx of extra test takers are weighted more toward the lower end of the spectrum, people who are not driven to go to law school and are taking the LSAT to see how they do. If that is the case, one could argue that the curve will be boosted, perhaps significantly.

But it is formed during the experimental phase, so it's irrelevant.

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superw wrote:

kkklick wrote:

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Definately, If december was a 7/10 on the difficulty scale, December was a 9/10, a harder RC would have definately made it 10/10. People are forgetting a -14 on a 102 question test is really a -13 in terms of a 101 question test, so it's not that far of a stretch. A -11 would mean a -10 compared to October which would be bull.

So you think it will be >-14 due to the extra question? I think they learned from last year and are trying to weed people out...-12

Why would they try to weed people out? The ABA doesn't control the supply of lawyers like the AMA does with doctors, so there's no incentive for LSAC or the ABA or law schools to NOT flood the market with lawyers. That's one of the biggest gripes against the legal field in America, isn't it? That there's no control of supply and demand?

kpuc wrote:

superw wrote:

kkklick wrote:

Flips88 wrote:As someone who took both December and October, December was noticeably more difficult even though I felt more prepared. October was a -12 curve. I'm betting on a -12 to -14 curve for it. If it's a -11, we're all doomed. Doooooooooomed.

Definately, If december was a 7/10 on the difficulty scale, December was a 9/10, a harder RC would have definately made it 10/10. People are forgetting a -14 on a 102 question test is really a -13 in terms of a 101 question test, so it's not that far of a stretch. A -11 would mean a -10 compared to October which would be bull.

So you think it will be >-14 due to the extra question? I think they learned from last year and are trying to weed people out...-12

Why would they try to weed people out? The ABA doesn't control the supply of lawyers like the AMA does with doctors, so there's no incentive for LSAC or the ABA or law schools to NOT flood the market with lawyers. That's one of the biggest gripes against the legal field in America, isn't it? That there's no control of supply and demand?

Not that he was making this argument, but a conspiracy theorist could argue that by making the curve lower, LSAC is deflating scores and promoting retakes which are revenue for them.

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

The curve (technically it is equated) is based on percentiles and not on aggregates. I honestly doubt we'll see a curve as low as -11. The games absolutely murdered a majority of people. Granted the RC section and one of the LR sections were easier but the other LR section had a crapload of tricky inferences.

-13 to -15 will be the curve. You can quote me on that.*






*Results may vary.

KevinP wrote:

superw wrote:Since an unprecendented number of people are going back to graduate/law school and taking tests, I bet we are looking at a normal curve of -11 or so...what do you think?

The curve (technically it is equated) is based on percentiles and not on aggregates. I honestly doubt we'll see a curve as low as -11. The games absolutely murdered a majority of people. Granted the RC section and one of the LR sections were easier but the other LR section had a crapload of tricky inferences.

-13 to -15 will be the curve. You can quote me on that.*






*Results may vary.

Glad you took care of the legal obligation, because if you were wrong I would have sued your ass

kkklick wrote:I'm glad it was a harder test, whenever I was doing PT's I always scored better on the tests that were harder/more forgiving curve rather than easy/tight curves.

Just because the test was hard doesn't mean the curve will be easy. Albeit, I hope it does this time around.

Plato's Thoughts wrote:

kkklick wrote:I'm glad it was a harder test, whenever I was doing PT's I always scored better on the tests that were harder/more forgiving curve rather than easy/tight curves.

Just because the test was hard doesn't mean the curve will be easy. Albeit, I hope it does this time around.

Any examples to back that up? I think we may be overestimating the curve, but not by much, -13 on a 102 question test is equivalent to the -12 in October. So -14 while not very likely is not an outrageous guess.