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I would literally donate non-essential organs for a -14.

The LG were utterly brutal imo and the last one made no sense whatsoever. RC seemed easy though and the LR was not anything out of the ordinary imo. I'm thinking -11 or -12?

I have no idea how they predict the curves haha...all i know is that the lg were rough as shit and the RC was kinda hard.

The average June curve (looking at every curve from June 02- June 09) was:

-10 for 170
-16.5 for 165
-24.125 for 160

LSAT Blog wrote:The average June curve (looking at every curve from June 02- June 09) was:

-10 for 170
-16.5 for 165
-24.125 for 160

Ugh, that is painful.

I'm right there with you.

I feel like I did worse than my very first cold diagnostic test.

Average has little relevance to this test, unless this test was average difficulty. And it's not easy to say that it was objectively.

i don't care about averages... because i'm just taking this "specific" exam.

jpSartre wrote:Average has little relevance to this test, unless this test was average difficulty. And it's not easy to say that it was objectively.

This statement is either wrong or vacuous.

So does anyone think another -14 is remotely possible?

I killed that effin December exam with its -14 curve and I struggled mightily with this one. I panicked hardcore on the LG though...probably my fault for not keeping my cool.

I'm hoping for a -11.

a11 1n wrote:So does anyone think another -14 is remotely possible?

I killed that effin December exam with its -14 curve and I struggled mightily with this one. I panicked hardcore on the LG though...probably my fault for not keeping my cool.

I'm right there with you. Hopefully a generous curve...

LSAT Blog wrote:The average June curve (looking at every curve from June 02- June 09) was:

-10 for 170
-16.5 for 165
-24.125 for 160

What are the highest and lowest out of all the june tests?

Aside from Dec 09, there has not been a -13 or higher since Dec 02. There has not been a -14 or higher since Dec 00.

I'd bet against there being -13 or higher on any June exam these days.

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With knowledge of this specific test, data from others certainly has less relevance.

However, with little-to-no knowledge of this specific test (which is possible if it's difficult to remember or you don't trust your own recollections), data from others has more relevance.

If you like, you can examine this and draw your own conclusions:

itseightfortyfive wrote:

LSAT Blog wrote:The average June curve (looking at every curve from June 02- June 09) was:

-10 for 170
-16.5 for 165
-24.125 for 160

What are the highest and lowest out of all the june tests?

Great question.

Here's the range for June exams since 2002 (when the overall curve really started shifting downward):

June 04 = -12
June 07 = -8

If you want to check out more of the data on this, see How Many Questions to Score 170/160 and Easiest LSAT Curve: December | Hardest LSAT Curve: June.

a11 1n wrote:So does anyone think another -14 is remotely possible?

I killed that effin December exam with its -14 curve and I struggled mightily with this one. I panicked hardcore on the LG though...probably my fault for not keeping my cool.

No way dude. December was way harder (last time they had -14). Take a look at December's RC and you'll see a significant difference in difficulty. The only challenge in this test was the last LG. In hindsight, the big deduction was painfully obvious. I have a feeling that more people got it than did not. We're only seeing more complaints about it because people who got it aren't likely to mention it.

However, difficulty is relative. That RC and LR were manageable.

My prediction: -12 for 170.
This definitely wasn't an easy exam.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:My prediction: -12 for 170.
This definitely wasn't an easy exam.

I hope to christ you're right.

LR and RC were, relatively speaking, ordinary
the games were a bit funky

though i'd like to say that it was a massively difficult test...it probably wasn't, and unfortunately, i think we're looking at another -10


sigh. sigh. sigh.

I took June '09 (which I think was -11 -- maybe -12). I ran into even more time pressure on this exam than I recollect from '09, felt that the LG were about the same/maybe a little tougher, LR maybe a little easier (but its close), RC about the same difficulty. If I had to guess I'd say the curve will be no larger than the one in June '09 (can someone can confirm what it was?), unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong. Obviously one person's guess isn't of much value, but I submit my hunch so that it can enter into the body of evidence used in guessing the curve.

Also similarly to '09, I would have given a kidney to learn that the other Logic Games section I had was experimental. C'est la vie.


C'mon c'mon -14!

-12

I am so mad about the last game, my brain shut down because I took too much time on the other games and later in the test it hit me how I could have done that one. I am going to see this test in my night mares. I thought I was more ready to push through than I was. The fact that we didn't even start until almost 2PM sucked too.

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-7.

-12

That LG was brutal

A'nold wrote:-7.

LMFAO....this made my night