June 2016 - Waiter's (+170 or bust) GRAY DAY HAS AWOKEN FROM ITS SLUMBER Forum

[UltimateSplitter]

yeah I hit my 100 posts on like my 2nd day, was SOOOOOO pissed when I found out I had a time req too

Shit I have to step it up. Getting close to feeling prestigious

[Smallville]

yeah I hit my 100 posts on like my 2nd day, was SOOOOOO pissed when I found out I had a time req too

2 days? That my friend is down right impressive.

sorry I lied to you, I went and checked and it was day 3 right after my lunch break at work (was shooting for b4 I took lunch)

and on that note...

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eta: to be fair we had a tinychat day 1 or 2, without it I prob could have hit the 100 on day 2

[Mikey]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

[biggestlawman]

How ya'll doing? I thought I should contribute to the potential of regurgitation of your evening meals by asking you about how well do you really think you did!

Nah! I've been there, and I was such a chronic LSATer that it took a surprise change of heart that lead me to accept an admission offer and quit being here. Had that not happened, I would have been with you, waiting for the scores to be out. A part of me still rues the missed opportunity, a.k.a., HLS. Good luck to all of you!

[Bearlyalive]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

[meeseeks]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

I'm planning to use my boss as one of my LORs. I'm one year removed from graduation though working in the same field as my degree.

[Smallville]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

pretty much this, if u can get a copy of all 3 it would be ideal so u can pick the best of the 3(or use all 3 if theyre all gr8)

[meeseeks]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

pretty much this, if u can get a copy of all 3 it would be ideal so u can pick the best of the 3(or use all 3 if theyre all gr8)

What's the reasoning behind schools placing such large emphasis on LORs written strictly by professors? I'm a little nervous about this because I don't feel like I had any professors that I had a close relationship with. I mean I did the work and got good grades but I almost never went to office hours or anything to set me apart. I'm afraid I will just end up with generic looking letters

[forum_user]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

pretty much this, if u can get a copy of all 3 it would be ideal so u can pick the best of the 3(or use all 3 if theyre all gr8)

What's the reasoning behind schools placing such large emphasis on LORs written strictly by professors? I'm a little nervous about this because I don't feel like I had any professors that I had a close relationship with. I mean I did the work and got good grades but I almost never went to office hours or anything to set me apart. I'm afraid I will just end up with generic looking letters

As I understand it they want LORs from professors because it's still a school you're applying to, and you'll still be working with law professors for the next 3 years so they prefer their peers (other professors) to recommend you.

[Smallville]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

pretty much this, if u can get a copy of all 3 it would be ideal so u can pick the best of the 3(or use all 3 if theyre all gr8)

What's the reasoning behind schools placing such large emphasis on LORs written strictly by professors? I'm a little nervous about this because I don't feel like I had any professors that I had a close relationship with. I mean I did the work and got good grades but I almost never went to office hours or anything to set me apart. I'm afraid I will just end up with generic looking letters

As I understand it they want LORs from professors because it's still a school you're applying to, and you'll still be working with law professors for the next 3 years so they prefer their peers (other professors) to recommend you.

pretty much. Professors are able to comment on your performance in a class setting, which is what they care about

[Bearlyalive]

Guys I have a question and I feel like you guys would give good advice.

I know schools prefer all letters of rec. to be from professors. I am interning for a Judge for the second time this summer and I was wondering if a LOR from him, and 1 from a professor would be looked at negatively or not? Or should I just get 2 LOR from professors?

Depends what you're aiming for. If you want Yale or Chicago, as well as a few other odd schools, having 2 LOR from professors is more important. Pretty much any other school it will not make any difference. But there's nothing wrong with having 3 LORs either, unless the school specifically limits you to 2 (which I don't think any schools that I applied to did). In that case, pretty much only Yale is stupid and won't care about your judge letter.

pretty much this, if u can get a copy of all 3 it would be ideal so u can pick the best of the 3(or use all 3 if theyre all gr8)

What's the reasoning behind schools placing such large emphasis on LORs written strictly by professors? I'm a little nervous about this because I don't feel like I had any professors that I had a close relationship with. I mean I did the work and got good grades but I almost never went to office hours or anything to set me apart. I'm afraid I will just end up with generic looking letters

The vast, vast majority of schools your letters will not really matter one way or the other.

For Yale, the reasoning is, roughly, that they want to produce an intellectual environment where students and professors are getting along and working with each other as much as possible. With the exception of the most exceptional candidates, Yale applications are actually reviewed and ranked by the professors themselves, and those professors tend to trust what other professors have written about you because that is most indicative of how you will conduct yourself in their classes. You can read more about Yale's idiosyncrasies in Asha's admissions blog.

I don't think any other schools have anything like the Yale professor review process, but some schools will have professors contribute to discussions about named scholarship awards. I think I remember hearing that Chicago, in particular, has professor feedback for the Rubenstein. Would not be surprised to hear that it works similarly for the Dillard, Darrow, Levy, etc., but I don't know for certain one way or the other.

That said, I had two very generic professor LORs, and one fairly generic (probably) internship LOR. I never got to read any of them, so don't know how good they are. But they definitely did not hold me back from getting the outcome I wanted.

ETA: the only other thing that even remotely matters for LORs is that, if you want Stanford, you should ask one of your recommenders to write specifically about why you would make a good candidate for Stanford. This is referred to as a "Stanford-specific LOR". Stanford likes feeling special.

[Mikey]

Thanks everyone!

Also:

ETA: the only other thing that even remotely matters for LORs is that, if you want Stanford, you should ask one of your recommenders to write specifically about why you would make a good candidate for Stanford. This is referred to as a "Stanford-specific LOR". Stanford likes feeling special.

Would you say that for like NYU, a generic LOR (or 2) and a VERY good LOR will be sufficient? Obviously with the appropriate numbers involved. Did you write any "Why X" essays for the schools you applied to?

[Bearlyalive]

Thanks everyone!

Also:

ETA: the only other thing that even remotely matters for LORs is that, if you want Stanford, you should ask one of your recommenders to write specifically about why you would make a good candidate for Stanford. This is referred to as a "Stanford-specific LOR". Stanford likes feeling special.

Would you say that for like NYU, a generic LOR (or 2) and a VERY good LOR will be sufficient? Obviously with the appropriate numbers involved. Did you write any "Why X" essays for the schools you applied to?

Sure, though if you're gunning for a Vanderbilt or RTK try to see if you can get letters tailored to the characteristics those scholarships are looking for. The NYU named scholarship process is unique and weird enough to merit the extra effort. But for regular admission and non-named scholarships, it won't be as important.

I only wrote a Why X for UVA. IMO, Why X's are most useful for preventing yield protect, or for getting off a waitlist (which, at that point, it's less a "Why X" and more a LOCI, or letter of continued interest).

[Mikey]

Thanks everyone!

Also:

ETA: the only other thing that even remotely matters for LORs is that, if you want Stanford, you should ask one of your recommenders to write specifically about why you would make a good candidate for Stanford. This is referred to as a "Stanford-specific LOR". Stanford likes feeling special.

Would you say that for like NYU, a generic LOR (or 2) and a VERY good LOR will be sufficient? Obviously with the appropriate numbers involved. Did you write any "Why X" essays for the schools you applied to?

Sure, though if you're gunning for a Vanderbilt or RTK try to see if you can get letters tailored to the characteristics those scholarships are looking for. The NYU named scholarship process is unique and weird enough to merit the extra effort. But for regular admission and non-named scholarships, it won't be as important.

I only wrote a Why X for UVA. IMO, Why X's are most useful for preventing yield protect, or for getting off a waitlist (which, at that point, it's less a "Why X" and more a LOCI, or letter of continued interest).

Hmmm alrighty, thanks! I'd be clueless as shit about this process without TLS ^_^

[meeseeks]

Thanks everyone!

Also:

ETA: the only other thing that even remotely matters for LORs is that, if you want Stanford, you should ask one of your recommenders to write specifically about why you would make a good candidate for Stanford. This is referred to as a "Stanford-specific LOR". Stanford likes feeling special.

Would you say that for like NYU, a generic LOR (or 2) and a VERY good LOR will be sufficient? Obviously with the appropriate numbers involved. Did you write any "Why X" essays for the schools you applied to?

Sure, though if you're gunning for a Vanderbilt or RTK try to see if you can get letters tailored to the characteristics those scholarships are looking for. The NYU named scholarship process is unique and weird enough to merit the extra effort. But for regular admission and non-named scholarships, it won't be as important.

I only wrote a Why X for UVA. IMO, Why X's are most useful for preventing yield protect, or for getting off a waitlist (which, at that point, it's less a "Why X" and more a LOCI, or letter of continued interest).

Hmmm alrighty, thanks! I'd be clueless as shit about this process without TLS ^_^

Second on that. This is really great input. Thanks guys!

[LitigatingLiar]

Is it gray day yet?

Not for another 8 days, bud

Damn it. I'm tired of being productive just to keep my mind off of this.

[meeseeks]

Is it gray day yet?

Not for another 8 days, bud

Damn it. I'm tired of being productive just to keep my mind off of this.

Nothing a little liquid fun can't take care of

[pretzeltime]

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[Bearlyalive]

Bleggggh forreal, Stanford? That's rough. I just feel bad about imposing on my LOR writers, I already hated bugging them for LORs enough.

This plus the fact that they require people to send study abroad transcripts.....faaaaack. I'm donezo.

It's definitely possible to get in without a Stanford LOR, but the letter is definitely recognized as helping borderline apps, or to avoid a WL YP (even perfect numbers aren't necessarily sufficient to get accepted if they don't think you're actually interested in attending). It doesn't have to be anything special; you can just ask one of your letter writers to replace references like "I think [your name] will make an excellent candidate for law school because..." with "I think [your name] will make an excellent candidate for Stanford Law because...".

And hey, as far as bureaucracy goes: if you do get into YHS, you get to look forward to the exciting and fun process of documenting your entire financial history for need-aid! And you thought that the FAFSA was annoying

[pretzeltime]

Bleggggh forreal, Stanford? That's rough. I just feel bad about imposing on my LOR writers, I already hated bugging them for LORs enough.

This plus the fact that they require people to send study abroad transcripts.....faaaaack. I'm donezo.

It's definitely possible to get in without a Stanford LOR, but the letter is definitely recognized as helping borderline apps, or to avoid a WL YP (even perfect numbers aren't necessarily sufficient to get accepted if they don't think you're actually interested in attending). It doesn't have to be anything special; you can just ask one of your letter writers to replace references like "I think [your name] will make an excellent candidate for law school because..." with "I think [your name] will make an excellent candidate for Stanford Law because...".

And hey, as far as bureaucracy goes: if you do get into YHS, you get to look forward to the exciting and fun process of documenting your entire financial history for need-aid! And you thought that the FAFSA was annoying

Meh, I would run a marathon if Stanford asked me to. I just hate asking other people to do things for me, especially profs. But, I suppose I need to practice getting over my dumb social anxieties if I am to be a good lawyer

[UltimateSplitter]

If there are any other TLSers planning on being splitters, I have a buddy who had a 3.3 and 165 and got multiple scholarship offers. He decided to go to U of Illinois on full scholarship. There is hope for us splitters

[meeseeks]

If there are any other TLSers planning on being splitters, I have a buddy who had a 3.3 and 165 and got multiple scholarship offers. He decided to go to U of Illinois on full scholarship. There is hope for us splitters

Woop woop! Engineering curriculum squashed my hopes of being a non-splitter haha it's nice to hear the success stories though

[UltimateSplitter]

If there are any other TLSers planning on being splitters, I have a buddy who had a 3.3 and 165 and got multiple scholarship offers. He decided to go to U of Illinois on full scholarship. There is hope for us splitters

Woop woop! Engineering curriculum squashed my hopes of being a non-splitter haha it's nice to hear the success stories though

Haha that's way better of an excuse than mine (I'm an econ major who had too much fun the first 3 semesters). Luckily we're applying at the perfect time.

[benwyatt]

If there are any other TLSers planning on being splitters, I have a buddy who had a 3.3 and 165 and got multiple scholarship offers. He decided to go to U of Illinois on full scholarship. There is hope for us splitters

Woop woop! Engineering curriculum squashed my hopes of being a non-splitter haha it's nice to hear the success stories though

I'm a big splitter (3.3/174) and I'm going to Columbia in the fall with a sizable scholarship

Have hope.

[BirdLawExpert]

If there are any other TLSers planning on being splitters, I have a buddy who had a 3.3 and 165 and got multiple scholarship offers. He decided to go to U of Illinois on full scholarship. There is hope for us splitters

Woop woop! Engineering curriculum squashed my hopes of being a non-splitter haha it's nice to hear the success stories though

I'm a big splitter (3.3/174) and I'm going to Columbia in the fall with a sizable scholarship

Have hope.

Even wider on the splitter spectrum (2.8/174) and I ended up with a little different cycle just to show the other end of the spectrum. Waitlisted at four schools in the T-14, in at Georgetown, in at Texas and Vandy with $$, in at WashU, Bama, and Iowa with $$$. Between me and Ben, that's pretty much the full range of what can happen if you're a splitter and you play your cards right.