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lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:04 pm
by newyorkexplorer24
1). My understanding is that LSAC calculates every grade and credit on your transcript, so if I do that, will that give me my LSAC gpa? (Ws are non punitive at my school and I have no remedials)
2). Its confusing when they say they calculate a gpa for each year. Do they average all of these to get your accum that gets reported? Or is it still credit by credit, like I mentioned, for the total accum?
3). If you end up with a decent accumulative gpa (say 3.5) thats competitive at say a Top 20 school, but also on there is the gpa for each year, if you have a 1.something a couple years, will that be held against you? Or is it just the accum, they go by? Will it be explicitly clear on the LSAC sheet what the total gpa is?
4). Lastly, I saw this thread on here.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... p?t=183961 Where someone uploaded an LSAC grade sheet. Is this exactly how LSAC does it? I am confused because on this sheet it shows (hours of A - is 3.5-4.0), and I thought an "A-" was 3.67, not 3.5
Any help would be much appreciated - as I am very confused.
Re: lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:56 pm
by bwh8813
newyorkexplorer24 wrote:1). My understanding is that LSAC calculates every grade and credit on your transcript, so if I do that, will that give me my LSAC gpa? (Ws are non punitive at my school and I have no remedial)
2). Its confusing when they say they calculate a gpa for each year. Do they average all of these to get your accum that gets reported? Or is it still credit by credit, like I mentioned, for the total accum?
3). If you end up with a decent accumulative gpa (say 3.5) thats competitive at say a Top 20 school, but also on there is the gpa for each year, if you have a 1.something a couple years, will that be held against you? Or is it just the accum, they go by? Will it be explicitly clear on the LSAC sheet what the total gpa is?
4). Lastly, I saw this thread on here.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... p?t=183961 Where someone uploaded an LSAC grade sheet. Is this exactly how LSAC does it? I am confused because on this sheet it shows (hours of A - is 3.5-4.0), and I thought an "A-" was 3.67, not 3.5
Any help would be much appreciated - as I am very confused.
1 - It depends. Yes, if you did not take any credits outside your school and your school uses the same scale as LSAC.
See:
http://www.lsac.org/jd/applying-to-law- ... rade-table
2 - They just note what your GPA was for each year. Your transcript will be included so admissions will see grades broken down by semester anyway. The cumulative GPA is the sum of credits*grade divided by total credits. It's not an average of the years because some may have more credits than others.
3 - The cumulative (note that's the word, not accumulative) GPA is most important but admissions may have questions on outlier years/semesters. Yes, it will be explicit what the total GPA is.
4 - Some schools have different scales but LSAC converts grades to its scale. At most an A- is 3.67 or 3.7 though some may have a 3.5 I suppose. Regardless, LSAC converts all A- to 3.67 for reporting purposes so everyone is on a level playing field.
Re: lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:27 pm
by newyorkexplorer24
Thanks so much for all your help! I really appreciate it.
1). So the cumulative gpa is the one that Adcomms use? Is it separate or listed above the grade/semester breakdown?
2). Lastly, has anyone underperformed their cumulative gpa numbers, due to the factor of seeing a lower gpa some semesters, before graduation?
Re: lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:35 pm
by BigZuck
All they care about is your overall LSAC GPA and your LSAT score. Don't worry about having a lower GPA in some semesters or anything like that. Just overall GPA. That's all that matters.
Re: lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:13 am
by newyorkexplorer24
Thanks! And just one further question. I saw a post on here where someone pasted an LSAC grade report. (Pasting it below) and it said on the report, (number of hours of A = 3.5 and above) where they tally hours of each grade level and I was confused because according to the LSAC scale an "A-" should be 3.67, so on this LSAC report, why do they list it as 3.5? Can anyone answer? Thanks
lawschool2014hopeful wrote:BVest wrote:Actually they do break things down by year. That's not the main number they report, but they do include a "Transcript Analysis" that looks like this:
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Year Ttl Hrs 01-02 02-03 03-04 04-04 04-05 05-07
Education Level U U U U U G
College ACME U ACME U ACME U STATE U ACME U IVY U
College Code 55555 55555 55555 25522 55555 85588
LSAT College Mean 152 165
Num. Candidates 566 301
Semester Hours 29.0 30.0 28.0 12.0 19.0
GPA 3.91 3.38 3.68 3.89 3.11 SEE
Cum. GPA/College 3.91 3.65 3.65 3.89 3.55 TRANS
Cum. GPA %ile Rank 95% 72%
GPA College Mean 3.31 3.23
Cum. Across GPA 3.91 3.65 3.65 3.72 3.65
3.50 & Up A Hours Earned 17.0 25.0 3.0 21.0 9.0 6.0
2.50 - 3.49 B Hours Earned 44.0 4.0 20.0 7.0 3.0 13.0
1.50 - 2.49 C Hours Earned 13.0 0.0 6.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.50 - 1.49 D Hours Earned 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
0.49 & Down F Hours Earned 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Unconverted Hours Earned 12.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Total Semester Hours 126.0 41.0 30.0 28.0 12.0 19.0
This would be for an applicant who goes to Acme U for undergrad, puts down some courses at State U in the summer between Jr and Sr year, and goes to grad school at Ivy U.
The numbers are made up, so if they don't maintain logical sense throughout, it's just fudge error.
Awesome thanks, so I shouldnt really worry if my years dont look good, as long my overall number is strong?
(the numbers I posted is pretty close to what I have)
Re: lot of questions about LSAC gpa calculation
Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:08 am
by cavalier1138
newyorkexplorer24 wrote:Thanks! And just one further question. I saw a post on here where someone pasted an LSAC grade report. (Pasting it below) and it said on the report, (number of hours of A = 3.5 and above) where they tally hours of each grade level and I was confused because according to the LSAC scale an "A-" should be 3.67, so on this LSAC report, why do they list it as 3.5? Can anyone answer? Thanks
That's not what the report is saying. Because of the weird way that grades translate to numbers (i.e. it's impossible to get a 3.5 in a single class), they're just using 3.5 as the actual numerical line between a B grade and an A grade on the 4.0 scale. So they aren't counting an A- as 3.5. They just need to account for every credit hour in a specific range (so 2.5-3.49 becomes a B range, etc.), so they're making sure that their ranges for each letter grade aren't leaving out data points.