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Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:48 pm
by lynz22
The Supreme Court is entirely made up of HLS and YLS grads. The President of the US is an HLS grad. The legal director of the ACLU is an HLS grad. "Unicorn" positions always seem to be held by HLS and YLS grads. Is Stanford Law School really represented in the tippy-top of legal success?
Obviously a Stanford Law degree will get you a great job in California, but how is SLS in the same tier as YLS/HLS?
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:52 pm
by t-14orbust
HLS has a much larger class size. ~double the size of SLS. The diploma mill churns out so many lawyers that the likelihood of producing BIGFAME is higher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_L ... ble_alumni
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:54 pm
by 09042014
It's really YS > H
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:00 pm
by Chrstgtr
I have also read that about 50 years ago SLS was more or less considered a regional school. Granted 50 years is a long time but so is the difference between being considered a regional school and YLS/HLS.
There has also been a huge boom in the population of California (Population is about 1.5x what it was just 30 years ago, an era that still boasts practicing attorneys and professionals). So since SLS alumni's careers may be lagging a little bit do to demographics.
I agree that this is mostly a matter of class sizes (with regard to HLS) and YLS continued dominance in the legal field.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:03 pm
by Atmosphere
Desert Fox wrote:It's really YS > H
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:06 pm
by 03152016
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Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:07 pm
by swampman
Chrstgtr wrote:I have also read that about 50 years ago SLS was more or less considered a regional school. Granted 50 years is a long time but so is the difference between being considered a regional school and YLS/HLS.
Yeah Stanford is a relatively young school. Even 1987 rankings went like this:
1 Harvard
1 Yale
3 Michigan
4 Columbia
4 Stanford
Now Stanford sends 30% of students to federal clerkships, which beats out Harvard by a large margin and absolutely crushes CCN.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:09 pm
by lynz22
Atmosphere wrote:Desert Fox wrote:It's really YS > H
Why?
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:24 pm
by 09042014
lynz22 wrote:Atmosphere wrote:Desert Fox wrote:It's really YS > H
Why?
HLS lets in anyone with the numbers. And it's too big to be elite. Biglaw is littered with HLS grads.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:26 pm
by rpupkin
lynz22 wrote:
Obviously a Stanford Law degree will get you a great job in California, but how is SLS in the same tier as YLS/HLS?
Agreed. SLS is a strong regional school. You should go only if the school offers you a substantial scholarship, and you should attend only if you're willing to work in the Palo Alto metro area after graduation.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:33 pm
by 03152016
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Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:44 pm
by Chrstgtr
Desert Fox wrote:lynz22 wrote:Atmosphere wrote:Desert Fox wrote:It's really YS > H
Why?
HLS lets in anyone with the numbers. And it's too big to be elite. Biglaw is littered with HLS grads.
Everyone knows how much we like to hate on big law.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:14 pm
by jbagelboy
lynz22 wrote:The Supreme Court is entirelymostly made up of HLS and YLS grads. The President of the US is an HLS grad. The legal director of the ACLU is an HLS grad. "Unicorn" positions always seem to beare sometimes held by HLS and YLS grads. Is Stanford Law School really represented in the tippy-top of legal success?yes
Obviously a Stanford Law degree will get you a great job in Californiaany major legal market, but how is SLS in the same tier as YLS/HLS?
Judging an entire law school by the quality of %0.01 of it's graduates is a recipe for disastrous reasoning. The Vice President went to Syracuse Law, but fuck me before I'd tell anyone to attend there. Stanford provides comparable opportunities for it's graduates to Harvard and Yale (some would say better than H due to clerkship numbers), whether it be grade threshold necessary for certain firms, connections with federal gov't positions and judges, ect. That's the important metric when considering a school - where it can take
you at what cost.
You cherry-picked a few selections and called it game set. I could list a whole roster of stanford law (or, for that matter, Virginia, Berkeley, ect. law) graduates in the highest echelon of the profession - hell, the current SEC chairwoman, US attorney general, the secretary of homeland security, energy, ect ect all went to CLS. The chief general counsel of basically every important tech company in America is or has been a stanford grad, including Ebay and Google today, among others.
The first statement isn't even true of the current court, and only a short while ago Sandra Day O'Connor (Stanford law grad) sat on the court as one of it's most prominent and prolific members.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:21 pm
by jd20132013
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Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:23 pm
by jbagelboy
jd20132013 wrote:
unless ginsburg resigned, she's a cls grad - not all hy. also whoever they nominate to replace her could be SLS!
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:26 pm
by jd20132013
Yeah after I edited that I realized my edit made no sense and came back to delete. sadly you had posted already. vaya con dios
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:29 pm
by txdude45
jbagelboy wrote:jd20132013 wrote:
unless ginsburg resigned, she's a cls grad - not all hy. also whoever they nominate to replace her could be SLS!
I'd bet on the next President going with an underdog T2 school. Gotta show some love to the legal proletariat.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:29 am
by Crowing
Desert Fox wrote:It's really YS > H
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:48 am
by FSK
jbagelboy wrote:lynz22 wrote:The Supreme Court is entirelymostly made up of HLS and YLS grads. The President of the US is an HLS grad. The legal director of the ACLU is an HLS grad. "Unicorn" positions always seem to beare sometimes held by HLS and YLS grads. Is Stanford Law School really represented in the tippy-top of legal success?yes
Obviously a Stanford Law degree will get you a great job in Californiaany major legal market, but how is SLS in the same tier as YLS/HLS?
Judging an entire law school by the quality of %0.01 of it's graduates is a recipe for disastrous reasoning. The Vice President went to Syracuse Law, but fuck me before I'd tell anyone to attend there. Stanford provides comparable opportunities for it's graduates to Harvard and Yale (some would say better than H due to clerkship numbers), whether it be grade threshold necessary for certain firms, connections with federal gov't positions and judges, ect. That's the important metric when considering a school - where it can take
you at what cost.
You cherry-picked a few selections and called it game set. I could list a whole roster of stanford law (or, for that matter, Virginia, Berkeley, ect. law) graduates in the highest echelon of the profession - hell, the current SEC chairwoman, US attorney general, the secretary of homeland security, energy, ect ect all went to CLS. The chief general counsel of basically every important tech company in America is or has been a stanford grad, including Ebay and Google today, among others.
The first statement isn't even true of the current court, and only a short while ago Sandra Day O'Connor (Stanford law grad) sat on the court as one of it's most prominent and prolific members.
Interestingly, VP & General Counsel of Apple, Bruce Sewell, is a GW Law grad. Maybe the best exception.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:01 am
by sweetspot
ACLU LEGAL Director is HLS, but EXECUTIVE Director is SLS grad.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:29 pm
by LSATneurotic
If you are comparing just those three schools, then it's really just H. if you look at employment stats (Law School Transparency), Harvard grads have the best outcomes on average, in spite of the large class sizes.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:31 pm
by patogordo
great post, very insightful
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:38 pm
by FSK
If we're comparing stupid unicorn outcomes, I'd rather be Peter Theil than any SOCTUS justice.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:40 pm
by Hand
Just the sort of thing that needed to be necro'd today; great fucking work.
Re: Is YHS really just YH?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:41 pm
by Person1111
txdude45 wrote:jbagelboy wrote:jd20132013 wrote:
unless ginsburg resigned, she's a cls grad - not all hy. also whoever they nominate to replace her could be SLS!
I'd bet on the next President going with an underdog T2 school. Gotta show some love to the legal proletariat.
Obama almost did it (and he would have done a great job if his work on the 9th is any indication).