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john1990 wrote:With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

jbagelboy wrote:

john1990 wrote:With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

No. Class size is dropping because the market is shrinking and society, i.e. potential applicant pool, is wising up. You should relearn causation before you enter your 3rd (4th?) law school.

john1990 wrote:

jbagelboy wrote:

john1990 wrote:With class sizes dropping would you expect the employment rates at universities to increase? Assuming that firms do the same amount of hiring there may be many less graduates without work in the upcoming graduating classes.

For example BU's class size has dropped by 30 persons. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that firms will take the same number of graduates and leave 30 less students searching for work. They should still need to make the same number of new hires and this could result in employment rates increasing by 10-15%

No. Class size is dropping because the market is shrinking and society, i.e. potential applicant pool, is wising up. You should relearn causation before you enter your 3rd (4th?) law school.

The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

john1990 wrote:
The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:
The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

john1990 wrote:

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:
The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

That would cause T2 schools to have a massive influx of jobs. Combined with the fact that their class size is shrinking too and that doesn't make much sense.

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:
The legal field has been constant in size since 2008. Do you have any data to back up this claim? Here are BU's employment stats

2010-237/273
2011-238/273
2012-241/273.

That is a very constant line. Now the class of 2016 only has 242 students. What makes you think there won't still be 241 jobs?

Because the same employers who don't want to hire bottom-feeders are still not gonna want to hire bottom feeders of a smaller pool. They'd rather try someone at median from NorthEastern or New England, than the people who have proven to be drop-dead last / worst of the bunch at BU

That would cause T2 schools to have a massive influx of jobs. Combined with the fact that their class size is shrinking too and that doesn't make much sense.

Massive? the bottom 5% of class of 2016 is 12 students. and those T2s have already suffered the worst cuts.
Those schools have had their employment stats curtailed the worst, so that now only the top 10-15% are competitive for jobs

edit: I also find it hard to believe that 241 out of 273 BU students have real lawyer jobs; check out how many are BS jobs

TheSpanishMain wrote:You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

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john1990 wrote:

redsox wrote:Yankees suck.

Best franchise in all of sports

john1990 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

This is LST's 50% which is defined as "% with full time long term legal jobs except solo practitioners"

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote:You're confusing "jobs" with "good jobs." Yeah, 50% of the class may be employed, but how many of those are legitimate, JD required, long term positions that pay at least decently, and how many are document review in an abandoned warehouse?

This is LST's 50% which is defined as "% with full time long term legal jobs except solo practitioners"

which schools?

TheSpanishMain wrote: I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

Desert Fox wrote:It'll actually help chances of getting a job. But the vast majority of legal jobs are shit law. They aren't worth going to school for.

The schools were big law firms hire don't seem to be shrinking nearly as much. So it's not like median at TTT is suddenly going to be big law competitive.

guano wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote: I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

john1990 wrote:

guano wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote: I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

Must be talking bout yo moma

guano wrote:

john1990 wrote:

guano wrote:

TheSpanishMain wrote: I admit, I didn't read and assumed we were talking of that pillar of the law, john1990. Then I realized no way does he get a 50% chance of employment in non-sex work.

fixed

Must be talking bout yo moma

edited because, having looked at your post history, this is the most clever come-back you've ever made, and I don't want to ruin it for you

john1990 wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:It'll actually help chances of getting a job. But the vast majority of legal jobs are shit law. They aren't worth going to school for.

The schools were big law firms hire don't seem to be shrinking nearly as much. So it's not like median at TTT is suddenly going to be big law competitive.

BU shrank 30 students. What impact will that have on their 25% biglaw rate