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red52 wrote:I've been getting my acceptance letters and I'm beginning to wonder is a Tier 1 school worth it without money? Or should I go to a T2 school that has given me money? All other factors remaining constant (IE: location, etc not being a factor).

I really love the prestige of some of the T1's, but at the same time I feel like I'd be in a good position with relatively low debt.

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:

red52 wrote:I've been getting my acceptance letters and I'm beginning to wonder is a Tier 1 school worth it without money? Or should I go to a T2 school that has given me money? All other factors remaining constant (IE: location, etc not being a factor).

I really love the prestige of some of the T1's, but at the same time I feel like I'd be in a good position with relatively low debt.

You are prototypical TLS dooder for me. Listen, T1 schools are not "prestigious." Most schools enjoy a certain level of "prestige," meaning the look of approval on other peoples faces when they learn where you go to school, in the immediate surrounding area of the school. Tech is a TTT, but people in Lubbock and W. Texas will think your smart and successful for going to law school there, thus it is "prestigious." KU is TT, but people in Kansas will likewise look fondly on the school = prestigious. I go to a T1, but it is only "prestigious" in the area where the school is located, just like the other examples. Assuming a T1 is prestigious is a somewhat logical but faulty assumption that one gets from TLS or USNEWS. If I wanted to work in Lubbock, no one would give a fuck I went to "insert random T1."


TLDR prestige is a function of community.

red52 wrote:
Ok, for example going to Rutgers-Newark with 1/2 tuition vs going to Wisconsin at sticker... just as one example.

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:

red52 wrote:I've been getting my acceptance letters and I'm beginning to wonder is a Tier 1 school worth it without money? Or should I go to a T2 school that has given me money? All other factors remaining constant (IE: location, etc not being a factor).

I really love the prestige of some of the T1's, but at the same time I feel like I'd be in a good position with relatively low debt.

You are prototypical TLS dooder for me. Listen, T1 schools are not "prestigious." Most schools enjoy a certain level of "prestige," meaning the look of approval on other peoples faces when they learn where you go to school, in the immediate surrounding area of the school. Tech is a TTT, but people in Lubbock and W. Texas will think your smart and successful for going to law school there, thus it is "prestigious." KU is TT, but people in Kansas will likewise look fondly on the school = prestigious. I go to a T1, but it is only "prestigious" in the area where the school is located, just like the other examples. Assuming a T1 is prestigious is a somewhat logical but faulty assumption that one gets from TLS or USNEWS. If I wanted to work in Lubbock, no one would give a fuck I went to "insert random T1."


TLDR prestige is a function of community.

Ok, for example going to Rutgers-Newark with 1/2 tuition vs going to Wisconsin at sticker... just as one example.

francesfarmer wrote:

red52 wrote:
Ok, for example going to Rutgers-Newark with 1/2 tuition vs going to Wisconsin at sticker... just as one example.

Don't pay any money to go to Rutgers-Newark.

dingbat wrote:

francesfarmer wrote:

red52 wrote:
Ok, for example going to Rutgers-Newark with 1/2 tuition vs going to Wisconsin at sticker... just as one example.

Don't pay any money to go to Rutgers-Newark.

But if you want to practice in Jersey, it's better than Wisconsin

cinephile wrote: That's absolutely crazy. Either you want to work in NJ or WI. You shouldn't be considering both.

francesfarmer wrote:

dingbat wrote:

francesfarmer wrote:

red52 wrote:
Ok, for example going to Rutgers-Newark with 1/2 tuition vs going to Wisconsin at sticker... just as one example.

Don't pay any money to go to Rutgers-Newark.

But if you want to practice in Jersey, it's better than Wisconsin

Well it depends what is more important to OP--staying in NJ, or practicing law at all.

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:wait out Wisco for money. double deposit.

Wisco is not prestigious outside of the state, but at least no one makes fun of it. Rutger's rep has taken a hit over the last decade or so.

where do you want to work?

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:wait out Wisco for money. double deposit.

Wisco is not prestigious outside of the state, but at least no one makes fun of it. Rutger's rep has taken a hit over the last decade or so.

where do you want to work?

What do you mean by double deposit? And as far as waiting them out for money, do you mean like requesting money and seeing if they give it to you to go? Sorry I sound stupid, but I just want to make sure I do it right.



As far as working, I love big cities as I'm a city kid. U Wisconsin has decent job placement in Chi., I've applied schools in TX (been accepted into Baylor), schools in NY, as well as schools in CA (LA area), and Florida State (love tally/orlando). Where I work/live specifically doesn't really matter to me, I have no attachment to any area specifically.

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:wait out Wisco for money. double deposit.

Wisco is not prestigious outside of the state, but at least no one makes fun of it. Rutger's rep has taken a hit over the last decade or so.

where do you want to work?

What do you mean by double deposit? And as far as waiting them out for money, do you mean like requesting money and seeing if they give it to you to go? Sorry I sound stupid, but I just want to make sure I do it right.



As far as working, I love big cities as I'm a city kid. U Wisconsin has decent job placement in Chi., I've applied schools in TX (been accepted into Baylor), schools in NY, as well as schools in CA (LA area), and Florida State (love tally/orlando). Where I work/live specifically doesn't really matter to me, I have no attachment to any area specifically.

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:wait out Wisco for money. double deposit.

Wisco is not prestigious outside of the state, but at least no one makes fun of it. Rutger's rep has taken a hit over the last decade or so.

where do you want to work?

What do you mean by double deposit? And as far as waiting them out for money, do you mean like requesting money and seeing if they give it to you to go? Sorry I sound stupid, but I just want to make sure I do it right.



As far as working, I love big cities as I'm a city kid. U Wisconsin has decent job placement in Chi., I've applied schools in TX (been accepted into Baylor), schools in NY, as well as schools in CA (LA area), and Florida State (love tally/orlando). Where I work/live specifically doesn't really matter to me, I have no attachment to any area specifically.

I don't understand what you just did there... or why you did it.. please elaborate..

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:
I like you.

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:

red52 wrote:

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:wait out Wisco for money. double deposit.

Wisco is not prestigious outside of the state, but at least no one makes fun of it. Rutger's rep has taken a hit over the last decade or so.

where do you want to work?

What do you mean by double deposit? And as far as waiting them out for money, do you mean like requesting money and seeing if they give it to you to go? Sorry I sound stupid, but I just want to make sure I do it right.



As far as working, I love big cities as I'm a city kid. U Wisconsin has decent job placement in Chi., I've applied schools in TX (been accepted into Baylor), schools in NY, as well as schools in CA (LA area), and Florida State (love tally/orlando). Where I work/live specifically doesn't really matter to me, I have no attachment to any area specifically.

I don't understand what you just did there... or why you did it.. please elaborate..

red52 wrote:I don't understand what you just did there... or why you did it.. please elaborate..

dingbat wrote:

red52 wrote:I don't understand what you just did there... or why you did it.. please elaborate..

Saying that Wisconsin doesn't place in chicago, that Baylor sucks and that there are no jobs in Tallahassee

Rutgers has mainly taken a pounding recently not because the school's reputation has dropped, but because employment stats have - there are very few jobs in NJ. NJ law firms get to choose from Jersey kids going to T14s and coming back home or who struck out of NYC or Philly, in addition to state clerks.

Unlike most states, Jersey has a robust state clerkship, and a lot of NJ biglawmidlaw hire state clerks rather than law school grads. This means that state clerkship is a better route than most states, but when looking at employment statistics state clerkships are usually discounted as a bad outcome, making Rutgers appear worse than it is (which, to be fair, isn't good)

red52 wrote:

dingbat wrote:

red52 wrote:I don't understand what you just did there... or why you did it.. please elaborate..

Saying that Wisconsin doesn't place in chicago, that Baylor sucks and that there are no jobs in Tallahassee

Rutgers has mainly taken a pounding recently not because the school's reputation has dropped, but because employment stats have - there are very few jobs in NJ. NJ law firms get to choose from Jersey kids going to T14s and coming back home or who struck out of NYC or Philly, in addition to state clerks.

Unlike most states, Jersey has a robust state clerkship, and a lot of NJ biglawmidlaw hire state clerks rather than law school grads. This means that state clerkship is a better route than most states, but when looking at employment statistics state clerkships are usually discounted as a bad outcome, making Rutgers appear worse than it is (which, to be fair, isn't good)

Please don't let this seem like an endorsement of Rutgers. I'm saying it's not as bad as it appears; that doesn't mean it's not bad
Thanks guys. I appreciate the clarification.

dingbat wrote: Please don't let this seem like an endorsement of Rutgers. I'm saying it's not as bad as it appears; that doesn't mean it's not bad

dirtrida2 wrote:Out of interest, can you tell me exactly what Rutgers gave you?

Was it 12k? I assume, thanks.