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Maybe at Stanford and Yale. Maybe.cardstrong5 wrote:Because both GPAs are above the 75th percentile for all law schools, does it really help someone to have a 4.1 or 4.15 as opposed to a 4.0?
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I never understood how this is fair, since many college (including mine) don't give A+ grades. So the max is 4.0. Seems like LSAC should cap it there too to make sure everyone is on a leveler playing field.dixon02 wrote:Maybe at Stanford and Yale. Maybe.cardstrong5 wrote:Because both GPAs are above the 75th percentile for all law schools, does it really help someone to have a 4.1 or 4.15 as opposed to a 4.0?
Thanks!
Don't the schools see a grade distribution from your undergrad though? So presumably they would see if no one gets A+'s. Either way, I really can't imagine that it matters. If we're splitting hairs between above-median at every school GPA's I would think the quality of undergrad might break a tie more than a 4.1 vs. a 4.0.abc12345675 wrote:I never understood how this is fair, since many college (including mine) don't give A+ grades. So the max is 4.0. Seems like LSAC should cap it there too to make sure everyone is on a leveler playing field.dixon02 wrote:Maybe at Stanford and Yale. Maybe.cardstrong5 wrote:Because both GPAs are above the 75th percentile for all law schools, does it really help someone to have a 4.1 or 4.15 as opposed to a 4.0?
Thanks!
So I guess a related question would be, how much does your position within your UG matter? Would a 3.7 be viewed much more favorably at a school where the average is 3.2 rather than 3.6? Anyone got any idea?TheZoid wrote: Don't the schools see a grade distribution from your undergrad though? So presumably they would see if no one gets A+'s. Either way, I really can't imagine that it matters. If we're splitting hairs between above-median at every school GPA's I would think the quality of undergrad might break a tie more than a 4.1 vs. a 4.0.
I agree. In a school with no A+ if you get an A-, there is no way to get back to the 4.0. Obviously with A+s this goal is attainable, so there is room for error. LSAC does see grade distributions for schools but we know that law school admissions is a numbers game, and the person with a 4.1 can bring up a school's numbers for rankings more than a 4.0.abc12345675 wrote:I never understood how this is fair, since many college (including mine) don't give A+ grades. So the max is 4.0. Seems like LSAC should cap it there too to make sure everyone is on a leveler playing field.dixon02 wrote:Maybe at Stanford and Yale. Maybe.cardstrong5 wrote:Because both GPAs are above the 75th percentile for all law schools, does it really help someone to have a 4.1 or 4.15 as opposed to a 4.0?
Thanks!
You had a 3.5 undergrad GPA, and most people bitching about the availability of A+s have similarly prolish GPAs that indicate all the upper range availability in the world wouldn't make an impact.JamMasterJ wrote: If I had had a shot at some A+s, my gpa would have probably given me a shot at H, but that's just the way it goes.
Yeah, all those schools where the GPA 75th percentile is at or above a 4.0. Which is none of them.Chucky21 wrote: the person with a 4.1 can bring up a school's numbers for rankings more than a 4.0.
Eh, I can think of a handful of classes in which I'd have likely had an A+. I think a 3.65 would have at least put me in waitlist territory at H, and would have given me a substantially better chance at Chicago. Other than that, my point was "oh well"Bildungsroman wrote:You had a 3.5 undergrad GPA, and most people bitching about the availability of A+s have similarly prolish GPAs that indicate all the upper range availability in the world wouldn't make an impact.JamMasterJ wrote: If I had had a shot at some A+s, my gpa would have probably given me a shot at H, but that's just the way it goes.
Who's responsible for creating this nifty thing? It's awesome.LSATSCORES2012 wrote:One other thing that might be helpful to check out is these graphs: --LinkRemoved--
It really doesn't matter. Kids at UChicago don't really outperform their numbers, which sucks for them...cc.celina wrote:So I guess a related question would be, how much does your position within your UG matter? Would a 3.7 be viewed much more favorably at a school where the average is 3.2 rather than 3.6? Anyone got any idea?TheZoid wrote: Don't the schools see a grade distribution from your undergrad though? So presumably they would see if no one gets A+'s. Either way, I really can't imagine that it matters. If we're splitting hairs between above-median at every school GPA's I would think the quality of undergrad might break a tie more than a 4.1 vs. a 4.0.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 9&t=188663facile princeps wrote:Who's responsible for creating this nifty thing? It's awesome.LSATSCORES2012 wrote:One other thing that might be helpful to check out is these graphs: --LinkRemoved--
Nova wrote:According to the past several cycles on LSN, yes, having a GPA above 4.0 increases your chances across the board.
4.0, 172-180: Y-47% S-52% H-88% C-85% C-77% N-94%
4.01+ 172-180: Y-57% S-72% H-91% C-93% C-71% N-95%
This is my guess, assuming your softs are pure shit:CardinalLaw wrote:Well my LSAC GPA is something in the area of 4.165. I haven't taken the LSAT yet, but I'm PT'ing in the neighborhood of around 170-171. I will be a K-JD with pretty mediocre softs (I've joined hardly any clubs, although I'm a tutor for my university and I've done a couple of unimpressive internships). Assuming mediocre LoRs, I'd like to know if I have a shot at Harvard, Columbia, NYU, or Penn.Tom Joad wrote:As somebody who paid attention to high gpa cycles, I don't think it matters much. Maybe ever so marginally. Why are you asking? That might help us understand your situation.
Basically, because my softs and LoR's won't be impressive at all, will my very high GPA compensate for that? I've searched LSN repeatedly, but everyone with a 4.0+ GPA and an LSAT in the low 170s has either multiple years of work experience or has softs that are analogous to curing cancer.
So I guess the more concise question would be, given a 4.16 GPA, unimpressive softs and LoRs, what LSAT scores will I need to get into:
1. Harvard
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. Penn
Thanks for all of your input, you all are the best.