Gun and knife laws in NYC Forum

[JCFindley]

Get one of these, breh. 45 caliber.

Nice, and wile I like your vintage model better, I have this which is the same concept....
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[fronkman]

Not really worth it when it comes to handguns.... You really can't legally carry one in the City and in the house I would just as well have a shotgun or rifle anyway..... Now, knife wise, I prefer to have one with me but won't break the law to do it.....

Probably. A handgun still might be better in a small place. I know my hallway is too small to really get a rifle turned around holding it level. And it is super low probability to ever be an issue unless you use it.

16 and 1/4 inch barrel is pretty effective in tight spots....

Get one of these, breh. 45 caliber.

Naw, you gotta go with the Mossberg 500 persuader for the home defense.

ETA: Yours is more stylish.

[Tom Joad]

Shot my first deer with it when I was 12

[fronkman]

Shot my first deer with it when I was 12

That's awesome, not your typical deer rifle.

[JCFindley]

Get one of these, breh. 45 caliber.

Naw, you gotta go with the Mossberg 500 persuader for the home defense.

ETA: Yours is more stylish.

I would like to get a 45-70 myself.....

Then there is always this, but not in NYC

Shot my first deer with it when I was 12

Nice......

[sunynp]

You know you could just break the law and if you ever actually needed to use a gun it would be worth whatever consequences you faced.

In New York city possession of a weapon is a crime. You don't have to use it. If a cop finds you with a weapon- knife or gun- you will be arrested. I think you can carry a Swiss army knife if you want a useful tool.

[Tiago Splitter]

You know you could just break the law and if you ever actually needed to use a gun it would be worth whatever consequences you faced.

--Plaxico Burress, 2007

[JCFindley]

You know you could just break the law and if you ever actually needed to use a gun it would be worth whatever consequences you faced.

In New York city possession of a weapon is a crime. You don't have to use it. If a cop finds you with a weapon- knife or gun- you will be arrested. I think you can carry a Swiss army knife if you want a useful tool.

I see some posts vanished.....

Regardless, this is kind of my point, a swiss army knife is in fact a knife. Not all knives are illegal and there is a specific language in the statutes that should at least give some guidance as to what is a weapon and what is not. The swiss army knife on my key chain is not and I would bet that a butterfly knife with a six inch blade is... Somewhere in between there is a limit as to what is considered a weapon and what is not.....

It is possible to kill someone with a tightly rolled issue of Better Homes and Gardens but it is not in and of itself a weapon. What I am actually looking for is the legal definition of a weapon in NYC and if any specific kinds of knives are illegal there even in the home..... (For instance, switch blades are illegal in many states but the actual legal definition of a "switch blade" varies greatly even among states where they are illegal.)

JC

[sunynp]

You know you could just break the law and if you ever actually needed to use a gun it would be worth whatever consequences you faced.

In New York city possession of a weapon is a crime. You don't have to use it. If a cop finds you with a weapon- knife or gun- you will be arrested. I think you can carry a Swiss army knife if you want a useful tool.

I see some posts vanished.....

Regardless, this is kind of my point, a swiss army knife is in fact a knife. Not all knives are illegal and there is a specific language in the statutes that should at least give some guidance as to what is a weapon and what is not. The swiss army knife on my key chain is not and I would bet that a butterfly knife with a six inch blade is... Somewhere in between there is a limit as to what is considered a weapon and what is not.....

It is possible to kill someone with a tightly rolled issue of Better Homes and Gardens but it is not in and of itself a weapon. What I am actually looking for is the legal definition of a weapon in NYC and if any specific kinds of knives are illegal there even in the home..... (For instance, switch blades are illegal in many states but the actual legal definition of a "switch blade" varies greatly even among states where they are illegal.)

JC

I looked it up for you - here is the administrative code and a lawyers blog post about it with links to statutes. It seems that knives with blades of 4 inches and up are illegal as is anything that you can flick open. Smaller knives can't be carried openly - like clipped on to your jacket. You might want to take that Swiss army knife off your keychain and put it in your pocket.



http://law.onecle.com/new-york/new-york ... 0-133.html

http://newyorkcriminaldefenseblawg.com/ ... itchblade/

http://newyorkcriminaldefenseblawg.com/ ... state-law/

[JCFindley]

You know you could just break the law and if you ever actually needed to use a gun it would be worth whatever consequences you faced.

In New York city possession of a weapon is a crime. You don't have to use it. If a cop finds you with a weapon- knife or gun- you will be arrested. I think you can carry a Swiss army knife if you want a useful tool.

I see some posts vanished.....

Regardless, this is kind of my point, a swiss army knife is in fact a knife. Not all knives are illegal and there is a specific language in the statutes that should at least give some guidance as to what is a weapon and what is not. The swiss army knife on my key chain is not and I would bet that a butterfly knife with a six inch blade is... Somewhere in between there is a limit as to what is considered a weapon and what is not.....

It is possible to kill someone with a tightly rolled issue of Better Homes and Gardens but it is not in and of itself a weapon. What I am actually looking for is the legal definition of a weapon in NYC and if any specific kinds of knives are illegal there even in the home..... (For instance, switch blades are illegal in many states but the actual legal definition of a "switch blade" varies greatly even among states where they are illegal.)

JC

I looked it up for you - here is the administrative code and a lawyers blog post about it with links to statutes. It seems that knives with blades of 4 inches and up are illegal as is anything that you can flick open. Smaller knives can't be carried openly - like clipped on to your jacket. You might want to take that Swiss army knife off your keychain and put it in your pocket.



http://law.onecle.com/new-york/new-york ... 0-133.html

http://newyorkcriminaldefenseblawg.com/ ... itchblade/

http://newyorkcriminaldefenseblawg.com/ ... state-law/

Thanks.....

[roaringeagle]

Live on the NJ side of the Hudson. Slightly more lax gun laws and cheaper COL.

EDIT: Or just not in NYC.

Ya know, not a bad idea and exactly why I lived in VA down here and not MD or DC....

Yeah CC laws in MD are harsh compared to those in VA.

[Excellent117]

All gun-control does is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms, makes perfect sense..../sarcasm

[JCFindley]

All gun-control does is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms, makes perfect sense..../sarcasm

Not true, proper gun control means being able to draw your weapon then double tap the perp's T-Box without nicking a hostage in less than a second.... Oh, wait, you meant the other kind of gun control; yeah, I don't disagree.....

Live on the NJ side of the Hudson. Slightly more lax gun laws and cheaper COL.

EDIT: Or just not in NYC.

Ya know, not a bad idea and exactly why I lived in VA down here and not MD or DC....

Yeah CC laws in MD are harsh compared to those in VA.

Yeah, I never got a CC here as I cross the Potomac a lot and it would instantly be felonious behavior if I did it armed.... Still, the ability to simply BUY a gun or own one just because I want to made me choose VA.

[dingbat]

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/permi ... _faq.shtml

[AreJay711]

All gun-control does is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to obtain firearms, makes perfect sense..../sarcasm

Not true, proper gun control means being able to draw your weapon then double tap the perp's T-Box without nicking a hostage in less than a second.... Oh, wait, you meant the other kind of gun control; yeah, I don't disagree.....

Live on the NJ side of the Hudson. Slightly more lax gun laws and cheaper COL.

EDIT: Or just not in NYC.

Ya know, not a bad idea and exactly why I lived in VA down here and not MD or DC....

Yeah CC laws in MD are harsh compared to those in VA.

Yeah, I never got a CC here as I cross the Potomac a lot and it would instantly be felonious behavior if I did it armed.... Still, the ability to simply BUY a gun or own one just because I want to made me choose VA.

One thing I learned in law school is that it is only illegal if you get caught.

[dingbat]

One thing I learned in law school is that it is only illegal if you get caught.

Considering carrying an unlicensed gun in NYC can get you a nice one-bedroom in Riker's Island, are you sure it's worth the risk of not getting caught?

[JCFindley]

One thing I learned in law school is that it is only illegal if you get caught.

Considering carrying an unlicensed gun in NYC can get you a nice one-bedroom in Riker's Island, are you sure it's worth the risk of not getting caught?

It isn't for me......

Beyond that, the whole point of carrying a weapon or having other SD skills is to save your life if necessary. At least to me, spending 7 yrs to life in Sing Sing would basically be a fate worse than death. So, knowing the law, abiding by the law and setting yourself up for maximum advantage while remaining within the law is what I choose to do.

[dingbat]

Beyond that, the whole point of carrying a weapon or having other SD skills is to save your life if necessary. At least to me, spending 7 yrs to life in Sing Sing would basically be a fate worse than death. So, knowing the law, abiding by the law and setting yourself up for maximum advantage while remaining within the law is what I choose to do.

With your background, I would assume that your self defense skills are more than adequate for any part of NY where you might find yourself.
The city's reputation as a dangerous place is really a load of bullcrap. There are areas to be avoided, but many parts of the city are perfectly safe.

[JCFindley]

Beyond that, the whole point of carrying a weapon or having other SD skills is to save your life if necessary. At least to me, spending 7 yrs to life in Sing Sing would basically be a fate worse than death. So, knowing the law, abiding by the law and setting yourself up for maximum advantage while remaining within the law is what I choose to do.

With your background, I would assume that your self defense skills are more than adequate for any part of NY where you might find yourself.
The city's reputation as a dangerous place is really a load of bullcrap. There are areas to be avoided, but many parts of the city are perfectly safe.

NYC is like any other US city. There are places that are fine and places to avoid.... Avoidance is the preferred method... I do like having a knife for many more reasons than SD.... It is a virtual necessity when I am setting up my tent at art shows....

Since THIS is a gravity knife in NY I will be getting rid of it....
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And replacing it with this....
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[dingbat]

Since THIS is a gravity knife in NY I will be getting rid of it....
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How are you going to get rid of it?

[JCFindley]

Since THIS is a gravity knife in NY I will be getting rid of it....
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How are you going to get rid of it?

Gotta read up a bit more and see if they are illegal to own or illegal to carry.... One make life easy. The other I suppose I will sell it... (And the other "gravity" knives I own.)

[tigyrgrl]

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[JCFindley]

Just some basic thoughts:

Before you sell off any older long barrel weapons (especially ones with sentimental value) run the serial numbers to see if they qualify under as antique firearms. The laws for antique firearms are significantly more reasonable throughout the country.

Anything more modern that you have added any bells and whistles too, check to see if the attachments make the gun more or less restricted. (It can be something really small like changing the trigger guard).

Thanks.....