Safe to say Penn and NYU are peers? Forum

[Tiago Splitter]

Lay people don't have any idea what the fuck a Wharton is either

[r6_philly]

Lay people don't have any idea what the fuck a Wharton is either

They do.

[smaug_]

I think the silly lay-prestige discussion is overlooking how different people in different contexts value different things. People who care about MBAs would know about Wharton and value Penn's connection. Artsy folks or those who studied philosophy might have a higher estimation of NYU. People who care deeply about other things might be more familiar with Columbia. FWIW, my prestige apathetic friends seemed to think of Columbia as a bigger deal than NYU. I initially leaned toward NYU because I'm a philosophy dork. (I changed my mind later.) Business dorks who aren't doing an MBA still might lean toward Penn for similar reasons.

But yeah, these schools aren't Harvard so the point is kinda moot. I hope that people make this choice based on money/fit rather than preftige anyway.

[KevinP]

Pretty sure Princeton Law is right next to Harvard Law in lay people's minds.

[PowderedWater]

Pretty sure Princeton Law is right next to Harvard Law in lay people's minds.

I've met quite a few people who sincerely believe that Princeton has a faculty of law.

Lay people don't have any idea what the fuck a Wharton is either

They do.

I can't speak for how it is in the US, but up north no one really recognizes Wharton, except for anyone sincerely interested in business.

[moonman157]

Also, a lot of people don't know the difference between Penn and Penn State

[PaulKriske]

tl;dr...

take Duke over the rest of the T4-14.

[NoodleyOne]

Also, a lot of people don't know the difference between Penn and Penn State

I am hearing that a lot when people ask me where I want to go, they ask me about Sandusky.

[Pate]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

[KevinP]

Penn more prestigious than Columbia and lay people knowing what a Wharton is? LOLOLOL

[Ruxin1]

Penn more prestigious than Columbia and lay people knowing what a Wharton is? LOLOLOL

Anyone on the east coast who is in the business world most definitely knows about Wharton.

[HeavenWood]

Penn more prestigious than Columbia and lay people knowing what a Wharton is? LOLOLOL

While Penn undergrad was once the "weak ivy," it's undergrad is probably on par with Columbia's now--and definitely ahead of Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell. As far as lay prestige goes, Columbia probably still wins, though not by miles and miles.

Also, as far as Wharton recognition goes, that depends on who your lay people are. If we're taking country bumpkins, they'll probably only be consciously aware of Local State U, plus the more prominent D1 schools--maybe HYPS. If you're talking lay prestige among college-educated, white-collar professionals, they probably will be aware of Wharton.

[ajaxconstructions]

Penn more prestigious than Columbia and lay people knowing what a Wharton is? LOLOLOL

While Penn undergrad was once the "weak ivy," it's undergrad is probably on par with Columbia's now--and definitely ahead of Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell. As far as lay prestige goes, Columbia probably still wins, though not by miles and miles.

Also, as far as Wharton recognition goes, that depends on who your lay people are. If we're taking country bumpkins, they'll probably only be consciously aware of Local State U, plus the more prominent D1 schools--maybe HYPS. If you're talking lay prestige among college-educated, white-collar professionals, they probably will be aware of Wharton.

All these lay prestige talk aside, this truly made me chuckle.

[HeavenWood]

Penn more prestigious than Columbia and lay people knowing what a Wharton is? LOLOLOL

While Penn undergrad was once the "weak ivy," it's undergrad is probably on par with Columbia's now--and definitely ahead of Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell. As far as lay prestige goes, Columbia probably still wins, though not by miles and miles.

Also, as far as Wharton recognition goes, that depends on who your lay people are. If we're taking country bumpkins, they'll probably only be consciously aware of Local State U, plus the more prominent D1 schools--maybe HYPS. If you're talking lay prestige among college-educated, white-collar professionals, they probably will be aware of Wharton.

All these lay prestige talk aside, this truly made me chuckle.

I'm sorry Penn having a slightly-below tip-top UG is hard for you to swallow.

[KevinP]

Anyone on the east coast who is in the business world most definitely knows about Wharton.

I don't deny that it's a top school and people in the business world know. However, east coast business people does not equal most lay people. Most people I've met who have even heard about Wharton don't know it's affiliated with UPenn.

While Penn undergrad was once the "weak ivy," it's undergrad is probably on par with Columbia's now--and definitely ahead of Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell. As far as lay prestige goes, Columbia probably still wins, though not by miles and miles.

I'd put Columbia (maybe slight edge to Columbia internationally) and Penn on equal footing in terms of lay prestige. I just take issue with Penn being more prestigious.

[HeavenWood]

Anyone on the east coast who is in the business world most definitely knows about Wharton.

I don't deny that it's a top school and people in the business world know. However, east coast business people does not equal most lay people. Most people I've met who have even heard about Wharton don't know it's affiliated with UPenn.

While Penn undergrad was once the "weak ivy," it's undergrad is probably on par with Columbia's now--and definitely ahead of Dartmouth, Brown, and Cornell. As far as lay prestige goes, Columbia probably still wins, though not by miles and miles.

I'd put Columbia (maybe slight edge to Columbia internationally) and Penn on equal footing in terms of lay prestige. I just take issue with Penn being more prestigious.

As far as informed undergrad prestige goes, I would say Penn and Columbia are equals. Columbia definitely has more of a household name though.

[rayiner]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump.

Brown person from DC lay prestige rankings:
1) MIT (top UG engineering)
2) Caltech (top UG engineering)
3) Harvard (top 3 UG)
4) Stanford (top 3 grad engineering)
5) Berkeley (top 3 grad engineering)
6) Yale (top 3 UG)
7) Penn (top 3 med school, top 3 b-school)
8 ) Johns Hopkins (top 3 med school)
9) Cornell (Ivy engineering)
10) UVA

[Ruxin1]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

A Majority of AIDS and Cancer research coming out of Upenn med/research right now.

[Tiago Splitter]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

And now I just found out that Penn has a top 3 med school.

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

[Ruxin1]

Donald Trump is a grad from Wharton and whenever he had an apprentice hopeful from Wharton he would announce that they graduated from the best financial school in America (and then asked why they heck they wanted to become an apprentice).

I found out about Penn b/c Donald Trump went there and so did Ivanka Trump. Also, their med school is usually in the top 3. Basically, Penn is in the top 3 for medicine and business, which is why I'd heard of them as a brown person from DC. Columbia is top 3 for...?

And now I just found out that Penn has a top 3 med school.

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

I think this poast encapsulates lay prestige, unless it's the top 3 schools, there is a huge dropoff in lay prestige so who cares.

[smaug_]

See, normal people throughout the country really have no idea who ranks where. Out west people will ask about Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky if you say that you go to Penn. They'll think you are attending some online school if you say Wharton. They'll nod approvingly whether you say NYU or New York Law School. And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

This rings true to me. It is only a very particular type of person who is aware of these things. There are current law students who aren't fully aware of rankings and what they mean.

[Renne Walker]

And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

They even ask where is NYU?

You can thank the movies and TV for that. Movies are about H/Y, even “Suits” is all about H. Northwestern just received a little PR from HBO’s “The Network.” Mostly though, it is slim PR pickings for nearly everyone else.

[ahnhub]

NYU gets a decent amount of play in Hollywood: The whole cast of Gossip Girl/ Ross from Friends/ Theo Huxtable/ Finch from American Pie...when the writer wants shorthand for hip/smart/artsy. When a TV show or movie wants to communicate that a character is super smart, they'll always go with HYPS.

[rayiner]

This rings true to me. It is only a very particular type of person who is aware of these things. There are current law students who aren't fully aware of rankings and what they mean.

Even lawyers, who are about as rankings-conscious as they get (partners will gossip about the Chambers Rankings when they come out, no joke) are only vaguely aware of the current rankings ordering within the T14.

Think about it, you probably looked at the rankings pretty closely when you were applying to undergrad schools in the early 2000's. I know I did. I probably could have told you the top 25 from memory. Do you have any idea where Penn, Columbia, etc, are ranked today? Was U Chicago in the top 10 then? Is it now? How about Duke? Cornell? I honestly couldn't tell you without checking myself.

[Tiago Splitter]

And after hearing the name Columbia, they'll say "Oh that's a good school. Where is that located again?"

They even ask where is NYU?