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Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B? Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

aCAMom wrote:Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B?

No. There is no advantage.

Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

Student B by a landslide.

For a better scenario-- HYP UG bro at 3.7/170 vs. directional state u bro at 3.7/170 would prob be a slight edge for HYP bro. 3.9/170 directional state u bro would be better than 3.7/170 HYP bro though.

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aCAMom wrote:Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B? Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

No two candidates are ever going to be exactly the same except for one small factor. There are a few elite schools (think like HYP) where lawschoolnumbers.com seems to indicate a small boost for these people. That said, I would think the difference between Berkeley and Davis for undergrad would be very negligible. Berkeley might give a very small advantage, but it's a pretty tiny one and probably one that will never come into play b/c there are more important factors that will mostly do all the sorting.

As for you second example: higher GPA wins no question.

Thank you all for your quick and helpful replies.

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Does undergrad matter?
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Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

You mad...?

Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

+1

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JohnDorian wrote:Please don't post a million links/examples to show that this was in the above links, I don't have the time to read through them all & I'm just trying to help the OP

I believe Kurst was making the point, in a somewhat patronizing manner, that OP should use the Search function before starting a new thread. (Not that you should read through the links (s)he posted.)

Lol

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My mistake. I thought you were retarded. Sorry.

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Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

Awesome.

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Question: How do you guys know that UG doesn't matter?

YehudaBauer wrote:Question: How do you guys know that UG doesn't matter?

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Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

Compiling the list is actually a huge help! +1

Don't even worry about it. I'm convinced that, at the undergraduate level at least, your education is what you make of it. The caliber of your undergrad won't really make any difference to your chances for law school -- all that matters is that you have a good GPA/LSAT/resume/work experience. I mean, I went to Arizona State (!!!) and had a really easy major... and I still got into a bunch of T-14s and was waitlisted at Harvard and Columbia. I do think that they will take a degree from HYP more seriously, but if your other factors balance out you will be fine. My easy undergrad experience made it simpler for me to get into good law schools, ironically, because it was so easy to get a high GPA.

On the less positive side, a less prestigious school is often less academically demanding, as was the case with me. If you coasted in undergrad like I did, it may screw you over for law school, where you actually have to work your ass off. I'm kind of worried about that. I'm just hoping I will be able to step up to the plate once it's required of me. If you're able to do that, you will be okay!

Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?

LOL'ED

Napt wrote:

aCAMom wrote:Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B?

No. There is no advantage.

Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

Student B by a landslide.

For a better scenario-- HYP UG bro at 3.7/170 vs. directional state u bro at 3.7/170 would prob be a slight edge for HYP bro. 3.9/170 directional state u bro would be better than 3.7/170 HYP bro though.

This is what TLS takes too far. The answer is not "There is a Significant Advantage." However the answer is also NOT "There is no Advantage." If you are looking at admissions to the T14, the true answer is "There is a slight advantage" as adcoms will def consider the fact that a 3.9 is relatively hard to achieve at a very good UG like Berkeley.

Na_Swatch wrote:

Napt wrote:

aCAMom wrote:Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B?

No. There is no advantage.

Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

Student B by a landslide.

For a better scenario-- HYP UG bro at 3.7/170 vs. directional state u bro at 3.7/170 would prob be a slight edge for HYP bro. 3.9/170 directional state u bro would be better than 3.7/170 HYP bro though.

This is what TLS takes too far. The answer is not "There is a Significant Advantage." However the answer is also NOT "There is no Advantage." If you are looking at admissions to the T14, the true answer is "There is a slight advantage" as adcoms will def consider the fact that a 3.9 is relatively hard to achieve at a very good UG like Berkeley.

Schools report numbers.

Yeah they like to say they accept ppl from diverse selection of (good) schools, but at the end of the day it's the number that matters. In the very rare possibility person A was in dead heat with person B, maybe Adcoms will give it to the one with the "harder" gpa IMO.

Br3v wrote:

Na_Swatch wrote:

Napt wrote:

aCAMom wrote:Suppose Student A goes to UC Berkeley and Student B goes to UC Davis. Assume they have the same GPA, LSAT, ECs, etc. Does Student A have a significant advantage over Student B?

No. There is no advantage.

Now suppose Student B (UC Davis) has a GPA of 3.9 and Student A (UC Berkeley) has a GPA of 3.7 Which one has a better chance of getting into a T14 Law School?

Student B by a landslide.

For a better scenario-- HYP UG bro at 3.7/170 vs. directional state u bro at 3.7/170 would prob be a slight edge for HYP bro. 3.9/170 directional state u bro would be better than 3.7/170 HYP bro though.

This is what TLS takes too far. The answer is not "There is a Significant Advantage." However the answer is also NOT "There is no Advantage." If you are looking at admissions to the T14, the true answer is "There is a slight advantage" as adcoms will def consider the fact that a 3.9 is relatively hard to achieve at a very good UG like Berkeley.

Schools report numbers.

Yeah they like to say they accept ppl from diverse selection of (good) schools, but at the end of the day it's the number that matters. In the very rare possibility person A was in dead heat with person B, maybe Adcoms will give it to the one with the "harder" gpa IMO.

Actually schools don't report numbers they report medians and quartiles... And thus while you refer to "very rare possibility," in reality its schools often functionally considering a 3.72 equivalent to a 3.78. Why? Well if their median is a 3.82 and their 25th is a 3.7, then taking the 3.72 over the 3.78 won't do a thing to the numbers they report.

Of course this doesn't mean they consider all grades between quartiles as equivalent, but it does mean that schools have some leeway in terms of GPA to consider other factors. This is only amplified once you get to the T14 schools due to their large amount of applications. It's not purely coincedence that top law schools have so many students from elite undergrads (and its not entirely due to the relatively higher LSAT scores of these students either).

Na_Swatch wrote:
Actually schools don't report numbers they report medians and quartiles... And thus while you refer to "very rare possibility," in reality its schools often functionally considering a 3.72 equivalent to a 3.78. Why? Well if their median is a 3.82 and their 25th is a 3.7, then taking the 3.72 over the 3.78 won't do a thing to the numbers they report.

Of course this doesn't mean they consider all grades between quartiles as equivalent, but it does mean that schools have some leeway in terms of GPA to consider other factors. This is only amplified once you get to the T14 schools due to their large amount of applications. It's not purely coincedence that top law schools have so many students from elite undergrads (and its not entirely due to the relatively higher LSAT scores of these students either).

ah okay. Now I finally see what you misunderstand that is making you keep hammer on this drum. Schools aren't really sure which candidate is going to ultimately represent its median, 25th or 75th pretty much until day one of classes (or possibly until day one of classes at UChi, if you think about it). So they care quite a bit about +/- .05 (especially obvious when you look at UVA's ED gaming).

Schools have a ton of elite UG students because a shockingly large number of elite UG students eventually attend law school. They don't need to boost elite UG candidates to populate their classes with them.