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I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?
While USNWR rankings should never be used to make the call anyway, it's really premature to say they'll be 20s or 30s. It could be in the 40s with Hastings since it's a brand new school with no reputation.JamMasterJ wrote:I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?
That's true. I'd expect the medians to be higher than Hastings's, but I could see issues with reputation ratingsBildungsroman wrote:While USNWR rankings should never be used to make the call anyway, it's really premature to say they'll be 20s or 30s. It could be in the 40s with Hastings since it's a brand new school with no reputation.JamMasterJ wrote:I doubt it, but they should be in the 20s or 30s, so it really isn't as wide a margin as is necessary to make that call.joetheplumber wrote:When will they be ranked? In time for the class of 2015 to decide to attend?
mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.
Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.
mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 isAll law schools are regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.
That is a little optimistic.mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.
This. Rankings are for people who are too lazy to do research. Irvine is obviously a special case, but no one is going to slot it higher than UCLA, which gives you your geographic signal.nealric wrote:Any ranking they are given should be completely irrelevant to your choice to attend.
This is true, although the rankings are usually fairly good proxies for total employment outcome regardless of market. Chicago and Northwestern are both "regional" in that they place most of their students in Chicago, but Chicago generally has (slightly) better biglaw and clerkship placement rates, especially for students at or below median.Grizz wrote:mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 isAll law schools are regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.
OC employers also like to see a commitment to OC (I got questioned about my OC commitment quite a bit in interviews) - they've been burned by associates leaving for LA positions. So attending UCI over USC/UCLA has some advantages if you actually want to work in OC, and seems to have no negative affects on those of my classmates seeking LA positions. Now if you are from OC you can probably overcome any commitment concerns, but it is something to think about if you actually want to work in OC.desertlaw wrote:mrtoren wrote:Beyond T14 is regional. If you want to practice in California, UC-Irvine will get you there. Their median LSAT and GPA scores are solid and, regardless of where they end up in the rankings, employers will go to them before most of the other Cali law schools.
The Orange County market isn't the big, and they're already competing with USC/UCLA there as well as in Los Angeles. Maybe soCal employers will draw from UCI before Hastings/Davis/Pepperdine, but there's still UCLA, USC, Stanford, and Berkley.
How bad really is the Cali market? I don't want to end up in the midwest or on the east coast, so I'm pretty much applying to the mountain west and the west coast. Irvine seems like a decent option, are Cali schools still worth going to? (and by Cali schools, for me I mean Davis/Hastings and down).ahduth wrote:This. Rankings are for people who are too lazy to do research. Irvine is obviously a special case, but no one is going to slot it higher than UCLA, which gives you your geographic signal.nealric wrote:Any ranking they are given should be completely irrelevant to your choice to attend.
Personally I wouldn't dump myself into the Cali market for any amount of money. But, then again, I didn't get into Stanford.
just did mine. potential topics:coldshoulder wrote:Writing my Why Irvine statement...tips?
UCI had 11 students in their inaugural class of roughly 65 get Art. III clerkships. Two of those had a for the year after they finish a District Court clerkship.keg411 wrote:Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.
I believe that number is up to 14 now.Citizen Genet wrote:UCI had 11 students in their inaugural class of roughly 65 get Art. III clerkships. Two of those had a for the year after they finish a District Court clerkship.keg411 wrote:Is this federal clerkships or state clerkships? Because there is a difference FWIW. Median students at crappy schools can get state court trial level clerkships.... (especially out-of-state in CA since a lot of their state courts don't hire term clerks).jck4487 wrote:UCI will be ranked after it receives full accreditation in the summer of 2015. So, probably April of 2016, depending on what USNWR decides to do. Don't let the ranking convince you of anything about a school. At the last coffee with the dean, Chemerinsky told us our clerkship placement stats, especially out of state, were better than USC had ever seen. It's the most competitive post-law-school path.
You spend more time banned than not at this point.WSJ_Law wrote:lol at UCI's ttt magistrate judge clerkships. what a shithole