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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:54 am
by Tainted_Praise
I will just disclose everything. They were all during high school anyway and had to do with my conflicting schedule with dance practice.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:20 am
by luthersloan
Umm, neither of those are dishonorable discharges, or other than honorable discharges- which refer to being expelled from the military for some sort of misconduct (or being gay in the bad old days).
But yes, I do think you need to disclose that you were fired. No one will care.
Tainted_Praise wrote:"Have you ever been discharged from any employment, volunteer position or discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable?"
....I was fired from footlocker for always being late... I was also fired from a hair salon for always being late. Do I have to list these?
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:03 am
by ThreeRivers
!#$!@#$@V I was fired from an amusement park job when they decided to just fire all 8 of the people working on the ride because some mother went up and complained that no one checked her son's seat belt (highly unlikely)...
It was the biggest BS ever but we signed somethign basically stating if there s any reports of anything going wrong on the ride everyone working on the ride can lose their job
Hope this question doesn't come up for me lol
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:55 am
by CanadianWolf
OP: Disclose and try to get your applications in on time.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:20 am
by CanuckObserver
"Have you ever been discharged from any employment, volunteer position or discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable?"
Note the "or" after the volunteer position and the discharged from the armed forces. I think you have to treat the question more like this:
1. Have you ever been discharged from any employment or volunteer position?
2. Have you ever been discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable?
I would suggest that the issue of "dishonorable discharge" "or other than honorable" only applies if you have been discharged from the military, since that is considered a military term. In the civilian world, you do not get "dishonorable discharges". You get fired or laid off, etc. People get discharged from the military for many reasons (medical, contract served, etc), so they want to clarify they only need to know about the other than honorable ones.
If you have been discharged from any employment or volunteer position, you do not get to decide whether it was honorable or not (in the military, they tell you if it is or not), you disclose and explain. So yes, disclose the firings from the hair salon & foot locker and explain the reasons for the dismissal.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:45 am
by Tainted_Praise
How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:48 am
by rinkrat19
Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:49 am
by Jack Smirks
Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You need to disclose it for C and F purposes because when you go to get certified by the bar they are going to check to verify your entire employment history. Just disclose it, law school admissions aren't going to care outside of maybe HYS.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:50 am
by Tainted_Praise
rinkrat19 wrote:Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Well I've been fire FOUR times... From FOUR different places... Fuck my life.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:54 am
by rinkrat19
Tainted_Praise wrote:rinkrat19 wrote:Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Well I've been fire FOUR times... From FOUR different places... Fuck my life.
It's probably not going to hurt you much...but maybe think about growing up a little. It's really not that hard to not get fired.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:28 pm
by Tainted_Praise
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Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:39 pm
by rinkrat19
Tainted_Praise wrote:How will they KNOW that I have been fired?
The school will probably not ever know. Being admitted to the bar, however, involves a complete background check with employment history, and if they catch something you didn't disclose on your school apps, you are fucked.
Providing false information on documents can disqualify you from having 'good moral character.'
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:42 pm
by Jah'rakal
apply to some more schools, only a small minority of schools ask that question, i know American does but i don't think they really care abt the answers, p.s which four places? what happened?
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:48 pm
by romothesavior
rinkrat19 wrote:Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Jesus Christ, this. They will not care one bit about you being fired. I got fired for calling a girl a b*tch on the job and I don't plan on hiding it. As long as it is not related to lying/stealing, they usually don't care. The bigger issue would be hiding it and getting caught. You would be in a world of hurt for that.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:52 pm
by Glock
CanuckObserver wrote:"Have you ever been discharged from any employment, volunteer position or discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable?"
Note the "or" after the volunteer position and the discharged from the armed forces. I think you have to treat the question more like this:
1. Have you ever been discharged from any employment or volunteer position?
2. Have you ever been discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable?
I would suggest that the issue of "dishonorable discharge" "or other than honorable" only applies if you have been discharged from the military, since that is considered a military term. In the civilian world, you do not get "dishonorable discharges". You get fired or laid off, etc. People get discharged from the military for many reasons (medical, contract served, etc), so they want to clarify they only need to know about the other than honorable ones.
If you have been discharged from any employment or volunteer position, you do not get to decide whether it was honorable or not (in the military, they tell you if it is or not), you disclose and explain. So yes, disclose the firings from the hair salon & foot locker and explain the reasons for the dismissal.
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:11 pm
by ThreeRivers
romothesavior wrote:rinkrat19 wrote:Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Jesus Christ, this. They will not care one bit about you being fired. I got fired for calling a girl a b*tch on the job and I don't plan on hiding it. As long as it is not related to lying/stealing, they usually don't care. The bigger issue would be hiding it and getting caught. You would be in a world of hurt for that.
Idk, I agree one time, but being fired 4 times is kind of
Re: What is considered a dishonorable discharge?
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:14 pm
by Tainted_Praise
ThreeRivers wrote:romothesavior wrote:rinkrat19 wrote:Tainted_Praise wrote:How in the world are they going to know if I got fired or not?
You don't think employers keep records? Especially a big national chain like Foot Locker.
Do you really want a lie showing up in C&F when you're trying to pass the bar? Just answer the stupid question honestly.
Jesus Christ, this. They will not care one bit about you being fired. I got fired for calling a girl a b*tch on the job and I don't plan on hiding it. As long as it is not related to lying/stealing, they usually don't care. The bigger issue would be hiding it and getting caught. You would be in a world of hurt for that.
Idk, I agree one time, but being fired 4 times is kind of
I was in high school. I was immature...They were all between the ages of 16 and 17. I'll just list them.