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zanda wrote:Top 10% at t40 is probably better (although it certainly depends on the t14 and the market), but this should not influence one's choice of schools as one cannot expect to place considerably better in a t40 class than a t14 class.

senorhosh wrote:Is a a median class ranking in Vanderbilt or Northwestern better than top 10% at t40?

I'm not talking about any of the t6 but the high t14's (northwestern or Duke).

And how about top 10% at t50?

rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.

senorhosh wrote:Is a a median class ranking in Vanderbilt or Northwestern better than top 10% at t40?

I'm not talking about any of the t6 but the high t14's (northwestern or Duke).

And how about top 10% at t50?

rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.

wildcat25 wrote:

rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.

What makes you exclude Fordham from that list of T50s? I'm not disagreeing, just genuinely curious (I'm in the process of deciding what schools to apply to)

Redfactor wrote:

rayiner wrote: NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.

I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?

rayiner wrote:

Redfactor wrote:

rayiner wrote: NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.

I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?

I meant for your average white guy student. Also the CW is true to an extent but overstated.

quixotical wrote:

rayiner wrote:

Redfactor wrote:

rayiner wrote: NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.

I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?

I meant for your average white guy student. Also the CW is true to an extent but overstated.

Does it change for your average white girl student?

Helmholtz wrote:After you finish median at your T14, travel in your time machine to the time you were deciding schools, choose the T40, and finish in the top 10%, re-create this thread. We will advise you on what to do next. hth

rad law wrote: Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

quixotical wrote:

rad law wrote: Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.

rad law wrote:

quixotical wrote:

rad law wrote: Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.

Dude. I'm fucking with you.

quixotical wrote:

rad law wrote: Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.

rayiner wrote:

quixotical wrote:

rad law wrote: Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.

I wasn't being exclusionary and offensive. I meant white guys. I believe that being a pretty girl gives a small boost.

Redfactor wrote:
I don't think he wrote "pretty girl" for nothing.

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:It bears repeating that OP's question has embedded in it the idiotic fallacy that one is likely to finish top 10% at the T50. Seems like a minor point, or one easily rationalized, but neither of those things is true. That one, simple, stupid assumption has driven tons of recent students deep into debt, with no realistic prospect of paying it off any time soon.